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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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army the game is rigged change the game

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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this is fade to black 4k JCR the game

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changer Network and K GRA the planet

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your host Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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apparently it's Taco Tuesday

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if I'm judging judging from the tweets

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that are flooding in already good

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evening everybody how you doing great

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week on the show that's right great week

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tonight Linda Moulton Howe joins us got

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a lot to talk about tonight with Linda

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strong so I'm gonna go and visit these

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very important research topics for her

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and also taking a look ahead into 2019

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her outside of the box

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to do that again tonight tomorrow night

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much that is going down right now not

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open lines all night long

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by Fator night is a new phone system

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it's pretty funny ok all right where am

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I at head over to Jimmy Church radio.com

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or our new blazing website is up and

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flying and it's great so go and visit us

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media accounts they are all over there

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at kg are a the planet and then of

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sandbox you can also email tonight or

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any other night during the day jimmy at

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jimmy church radio.com lots of breaking

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news to cover let's get to this man this

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new chair this thing's cool it sings

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cool I can't get it you know it doesn't

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doesn't it doesn't walk doesn't rock

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like that other chair so I can't get it

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to rock but you know what maybe I'll

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maybe I'll just behave I know I don't I

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don't get to rock anymore lots of

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breaking news let's get to it a top

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North Korean negotiator will arrive in

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Washington DC this Thursday and is

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arriving or even if he will meet with

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President Trump but the news is breaking

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now it's very fluid it's a fast breaking

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story and we will get you the latest as

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tomorrow big big news in Washington DC

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much bigger than the Big Macs and Pizza

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Hut that were served at the White House

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her brexit vote today she didn't just

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lose it I mean she lost it and now there

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as fascinating as it gets with reality

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some places around the world like that

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it's just imagine if that's how it went

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maybe we meet it man

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man the booze the yelling the man that

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Theresa mate what's gonna go down I know

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that the debate is gonna continue

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tomorrow what's gonna happen there's no

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confidence vote is she out is that

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now just imagine that you know whatever

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president we have in office here doesn't

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matter who you know any president just

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one day wakes up okay today we're gonna

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vote you out of office right hey here's

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a winner yesterday was cool I know but

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today weird you know we're just gonna

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vote we're gonna vote it's a lot of

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pressure and maybe maybe maybe the

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fascinating to watch on TV also breaking

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you if you didn't catch it well you're

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gonna catch it now Roku has just added

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I hate mainstream media is not covering

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this I am and Roku released a statement

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defending its decision to give Infowars

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position of neutrality

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according to Roku the company has no

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commercial relationship with Infowars

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we determine a channel violates these

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policies it will be removed to our

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knowledge Infowars is not currently in

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violation of these content policies end

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the position of Twitter right and Jack

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but for now Roku has added Infowars

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that's a really really really big deal

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speaking of Roku let's swing things over

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right well just talking about how it's

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Joan so I guess I'm covered

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but there's conspiracies going on

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everywhere and now Netflix which has

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apparently 600 shows series and movies

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production not only stars but it's

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everything else that goes with it the

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production teams you have video sound

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editing all of that stuff sets builders

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contractors it's it's crazy right well

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you got to pay for that stuff and

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Netflix announced today that it's is

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from 14 dollars there you go there ain't

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no free lunch there ain't no free lunch

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you know and there you go okay ah let's

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see let's let's just move on how's that

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let's just move this where am I at here

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is episode number two of Project Blue

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Book on the History Channel and it's the

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flatwoods monster tomorrow night I will

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review it okay

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so I'm gonna leave that go also I've got

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a new chair in the bunker yay

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that's our breaking news and also our

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very own the one and only Michael oming

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Michael oming and Dan Berman they have a

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Image Comics publication a title called

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si X 6 is in development for TV through

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Amazon and circle of confusion studios

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under the new title 13 yes it's gone

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from 6 to 13 13 will follow a ruthless

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alien ET agent who tracks 12 alien

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fugitives to earth but who develops

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human emotion ultimately leading I can't

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tell you the rest of it that would just

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give it away can't tell you that but I

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know it oming and Berman will produce

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alongside writer Stefan Jaworski who

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will also write the script and Michael

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dinner

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congratulations Michael you are the

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absolute very best and for those of you

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out there that know Michael oming and

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and his comics his artwork he's one of

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the best on the planet

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seriously hands down but he's also the

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artist behind our fade to black stuff

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that's right that's right so every time

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you see that a little thing with me with

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son

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glasses on right and that's Michael

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oming he's an absolutely amazing artist

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and he's been with fade to black since

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the very beginning

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so congratulations Michael you deserve

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it man and I cannot wait for it all

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right

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also breaking this Sunday we will be at

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the crystal matrix that's January 20th

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and we're gonna be hanging out with

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Carolyn Ford and Einstein the ancient

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crystal skull the address for that is 32

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15 Glendale Boulevard in Atwater Village

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just right next to the City of Glendale

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and the phone number there you need to a

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thank you look at Michael that's what

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I'm talking about right there

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Michael oming listening to the show yeah

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that gets a retweet thank you so much

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Michael and to L man I forgot about that

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that's hanging in the bunker there you

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go all right Michael oming thank you for

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that got a retweet this Sunday the

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crystal matrix and the phone number for

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that which you have to do to make

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arrangements to get out there the phone

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numbers three to three six four four

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seven six to five we will be there for

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the ceremony and I want to hang out all

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afternoon and I'm just gonna go and sit

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down with Einstein and have a

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conversation come and hang out with us

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where your fade to black t-shirts will

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take a team picture okay that's the

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crystal matrix this Sunday three two

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three six four four seven six two five I

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will be at the NAMM show on Friday

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January 25th the NAMM shows the National

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Association of musical merchants music

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merchants and this takes place every

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year down at the Anaheim Convention

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Center it's the biggest retail music

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convention in the world all year long

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it's huge and so come down and hang out

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with us normally I am there on Saturday

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this year I will be there on Friday

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January 25th and if you are attending

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ma'am

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this year at the end I'm Convention

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Center hit me up on Twitter post I will

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be posting where I am at at NAMM all day

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in real time and the reason why we had

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to move it from Saturday to Friday I'll

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be at the tascam booth and definitely

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gonna be over at fender 2 as well a

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couple other booths I will make those

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announcements as they happen but the

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following day Saturday I think the

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weekend I will be over hosting

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coast-to-coast am so that's why we had

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to move everything from Saturday back to

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Friday for the NAMM show

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all right then right after that come

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join us 2019 conscious life Expo in Los

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Angeles California at the LAX Hilton

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February 22nd through February 25th

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Linda Moulton Howe is going to be there

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our guest tonight you will be there of

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course because this year we are

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celebrating the 50th anniversary of

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Chariots of the Gods with Erich von

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däniken and Linda will be joining me

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Friday night for the panel with Eric

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Jason Martell Billy Carson and rabbi

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ariel bar Zod oh okay so definitely make

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plans for that and all you have to do is

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go over to Jimmy Trudeau calm click on

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the conscious life banner you can go and

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find out about tickets and a full

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conference schedule everything is

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available over there it's going to be an

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amazing conference ok it's at the LAX

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Hilton February 22nd through the 25th

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all right and then after that man we've

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got such a busy year this year contact

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in the desert May 31st through June 3rd

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in Indian Wells Palm Springs California

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at the Renaissance Indian Wells Resort

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and Spa tickets and info contact in the

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desert calm of course Linda Moulton Howe

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will be there too as well last year ok

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so this year I will be we've got three

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events going on Friday night will be

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fade to black broadcasting live Saturday

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night I will be hosting the awards

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dinner okay

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and you can get tickets and info for the

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awards dinner at consciously or at

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contact in the desert

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and then Sunday night I'll be hosing

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hosting the hosing I will be hosing I'll

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be hosting the closing night ceremonies

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and panel all-star panel by the way and

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that'll be Sunday night so we've got a

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busy busy weekend at contact in the

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desert all right don't forget to

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subscribe to our podcast it's just two

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click on that podcast banner and also

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membership section and become an

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official fader not today

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all right happy birthday to today to

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guitarist Adam Jones is 54 years old and

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that dude is a playa Adam Jones today is

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54 on this day in history it went down

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2009 Sully Sullenberger performs the

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miracle on the Hudson when he safely

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landed the plane he was piloting on New

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York City's Hudson River on the stay in

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2009 fader fact you ready one in every

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five adults believe that aliens are

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hiding on earth disguised as humans and

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that is your fader fact you know Kevin

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thank you for posting that picture

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because if you look really close that's

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my Elvis Presley mug right there that's

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a that's a great shot from courtesy of

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Lynne man I miss Lynn and do you think

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she's listening right now Lynn Louis

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he thinks he's listening to us you know

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she is that's a cool picture right there

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that's it the Elvis mug see that's one

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side the other side says Elvis and then

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on the inside so when you're drinking

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your coffee right you're drinking right

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inside the lip can you see it as his

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signature

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see that autographed right there so you

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get to yours truly all right all right

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tonight Linda Moulton Howe is here and I

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cannot wait for this conversation I I

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know a little bit about where we are

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going tonight and it's going to be

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absolutely amazing so stand by Lim is

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going to be here in a few short minutes

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now today today I was out doing some

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stuff and it got me to thinking and this

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is how my brain works

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I should ask Linda about this tonight

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because she's so smart you know I'm not

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smart but is this and I mentioned this a

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few months ago on the show all right

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which is this if somebody you know it's

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amazing how atoms make up everything

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doesn't matter right the Elvis mug Adams

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right me Adam's microphone at all the

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same that's how they connect make up

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different things all right so what is

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the difference between something that

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thinks and laughs like us and like this

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Elvis coffee mug what's the difference

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because if somebody sat next to you

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you're lying in bed and somebody sat

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next to you and picked you apart with a

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pair of tweezers right atom-by-atom

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and just made a pile of atoms over here

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eventually you would solve to help me to

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nothing right

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you might even speak the apart pile of

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atoms where do you go your consciousness

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your mind your memories they're now gone

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right what things so out of the Year

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alive anymore but what happens with

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everything what's the difference and

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then reassemble those atoms into

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an Elvis coffee mug same thing right and

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I'm driving today actually thinking

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about this and I was thinking about it

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because of food and I see a burger don't

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ask me how or where but I see a burger I

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started I was like wait a minute

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wait a minute here if Adams makeup

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everything the same atoms that make up

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the car that I'm driving are in that

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cheeseburger so you could solve

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everything if you could disassemble

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something and reassemble it into

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something else now not not not making it

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up it's almost like 3d printing almost

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right but 3d printing a burger would be

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next to impossible

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I would think take you forever 3d

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printing food or 3d printing water right

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okay but the idea is this why can't we

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take a rock a rock see you wouldn't want

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and turn that rock into something out

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like a cheeseburger

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why can't you transform these atoms into

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a cheeseburger a rock into a

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cheeseburger you wouldn't want to

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transform your harley-davidson into a

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cheeseburger that'd be a gross misuse of

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atoms and that's not what I'm referring

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to but what if you could take dirt rocks

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and transform them into food right it's

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just a

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that you know and and if we think about

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all of the technology that we're putting

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into different things and different

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ideas I'm talking about something that

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apparently to me seems very simple why

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can't we disassemble and transform

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disassemble and transform it would fix

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everything

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am I right about this so think about

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that for a second and I think that as I

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bring all of these intelligent guests on

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over the next year right never trust an

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atom they make up everything exactly

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what I'm saying right what if I asked

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this question of every guest and get an

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answer out of them or could it be

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something that is a project that is

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being worked on by DARPA Sandia Lawrence

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Livermore CERN seems simple to me it

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really does and that's why this is fade

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to black and that's how my mind works

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all because I was driving around in the

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rain today you can see I'm wearing a

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jacket again tonight it's freezing cold

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over the next 24 hours they are actually

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saying here in Southern Californians

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been raining for a few straight days

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almost a week almost two weeks straight

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that over the next 24 hours we're gonna

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think about that and it never rains in

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Southern California right well here we

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go I'm your host Jimmy church this is

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fade to black and when I come back after

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this short break

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Linda Moulton Howe um the game changed

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Network Kincaid zra the planet I'm here

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with Jimmy Church I'll be right back

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stay with us

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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fade to black on Jimmy Church radio.com

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Amy Church on the game changer

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network and kgr a the planets

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this is fade to black tonight Linda

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Moulton Howe is with us tomorrow night

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dr. Robert M shock right here Thursday

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night open lines all night long so there

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you go and I do want to remind everybody

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this Sunday we will be out at the

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crystal matrix right here in Southern

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California over in Atwater Village and

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we've got all the information up there

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on Twitter so we'll see all of you over

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at the crystal matrix on a Sunday but

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tonight it's Linda she's here kicking

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off 2019 with us she is a graduate of

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Stanford University with a master's

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degree in communication she has devoted

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her documentary film television radio

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writing and reporting career to

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productions concerning science medicine

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and the environment

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she has Earth files.com she has her own

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radio program with John Burroughs right

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here on KCRA she's on coast to coast am

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ancient aliens since its first season

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she's got a series over at Gaea called

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truth hunters but and most important I

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have to take a deep breath because she

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has traveled to Venezuela Peru Brazil

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England Norway France Switzerland the

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Netherlands Yugoslavia Turkey Ethiopia

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Kenya Egypt Australia Japan Canada

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Mexico the Yucatan and Puerto Rico

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tonight we are going to cover the

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biggest stories for her of 2018 and of

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course we're going to take a look at

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2019 and what it means for our community

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and disclosure I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black the one and only

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Linda Moulton Howe Linda good evening

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how are you how was your new year hey

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Jimmy

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well it was kind of like the way that

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2019 is taking off so much was going on

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right up to fireworks going in the sky

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where I was on the 31st and then then

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very next day it was picked up with I

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was getting phone calls from people

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about mutilations about

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about something that was in the sky and

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I thought this is the perfect metaphor

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New Year's Day honey it doesn't quit

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even on a vacation at the beginning of a

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year it's really been unrelenting and

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the the feeling that I have right now is

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from politics to the geophysics of our

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planet that this is lining up maybe to

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be a really tumultuous year where they

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there might be more seismic events as

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well as all the political problems and

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it's kind of like that feeling

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get on the bucking horse and hang on

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because this is going to be one heck of

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a year

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now I want to go back actually to the

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beginning of 2018 we're getting ready to

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if you can believe it next month you

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will be with us at conscious life Expo

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and so once again we are at conscious

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life and I wanted to go back to where

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you and I and our minds were one year

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:29,720
ago when TTS a disclosure the New York

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Times you know the last conscious life

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Expo we had a different mindset going on

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about what 2018 was about to do right

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and and and the excitement that we have

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this year it was like it was going to

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blow up right after the New York Times

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and the big surprise is that it hasn't

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and remember I've said this to you

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on the last time I think I was on your

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show that I had two bets with two

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different people that we would get that

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headline we're not alone in this

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universe on or before New Year's Day

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2019 and I had a wonderful time paying

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off those bets but I'm going to rebate

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for 2019 because Kimmy can you imagine

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going on any much longer no with this

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whole planet living such a concocted lie

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that

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we are alone in this strange universe I

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cannot God

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- it has to open up for the strength of

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humanity if we are on a planet where the

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politicians lie and everything about

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what we are and what the history of

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humanity is is a lie and that everything

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is built on concoctions

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that serve power brokers and maybe even

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nonhumans but we're not on a planet that

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is serving the general human human no

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not at all

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and the the question that I have for you

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are the bets for 2019 double or nothing

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00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:14,390
are you all in I'll tell you that and I

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happen to know a physicist who has also

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00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:19,970
made a similar bet but I will always

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respect his request for anonymity and I

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say that to underscore that among people

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who actually know about the alien

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presence and have known about it for

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decades they are themselves I'm talking

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about physicists I'm talking about

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people who have worked inside on the

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black programs having to do with

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back-engineering of non-human technology

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and all of it

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they can't quite believe that we are to

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2019 now and that this whole huge big

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truth has not come out there's a lot of

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people I know from the inside who

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thought it would be out by now what do

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00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:06,860
you think caused the the foot being

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taken off of the gas with disclosure in

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2018 there didn't seem to be any excuses

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right we were there you know and we were

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00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:20,270
very excited about it what happened okay

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00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:25,970
this is my speculation based on what

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I've been through in the last 22 years

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trying to get to the bottom of the

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business magnesium zinc layered metal

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that our bill received first in a box of

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pure aluminum and

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about three weeks later we got the

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business magnesium zinc and he called me

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up right when he got the bucks and said

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Linda would you please investigate this

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and I have been doing it for 22 years

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going on the 23rd and I know from the

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first discussions and filling a notebook

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with all of my ink at that time I was

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handwriting all of the comments and when

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00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:09,140
I was interviewing people like an exotic

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metals manufacturer in New York City

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that I was reference to and I remember

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00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:17,420
calling him and I was completely green

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00:41:25,569 --> 00:41:21,950
I knew zero and I all I did have at that

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00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:25,579
point when I called him was a scientist

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00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:28,579
who had helped me with the energy

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00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:30,770
dispersive and the elemental composition

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00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:36,460
and we knew that we had pure business

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00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:39,770
alternating with a magnesium zinc alloy

786
00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:44,060
that was 90s I think it was ninety six

787
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:46,849
point four ninety seven point in

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magnesium and the rest was some zinc and

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00:41:54,849 --> 00:41:52,670
when I called him up I said I've been

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referenced to you because I have an

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00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,260
unusual metal I did in front end

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00:42:02,109 --> 00:41:59,839
anything about UFOs ETS or anything

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00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:02,119
right I just said I have an unusual

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00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:06,050
metal it appears to be layered and here

795
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:08,030
are the elements that I have been able

796
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:10,550
to learn so far and told him about the

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00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:12,470
business and the magnesium zinc and I

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said they're layered at a nano level the

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bismuth is one to four microns the

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magnesium zinc is a hundred to 200

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microns it may alternate like a tort

802
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:26,359
cake and I remember this man started

803
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:28,910
laughing and it was kind of a sardonic

804
00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:32,569
laugh and he said nobody puts magnesium

805
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:35,720
and business together you can't do it it

806
00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:38,930
will de laminate immediately it will

807
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:42,619
never stay as a structure so the world

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in 1996 even hearing the composition of

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the business magnesium

810
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:55,080
back in 1996 it didn't exist and there's

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a whole lot of other things that I had

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labs and people that they they did not

813
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:06,060
recognize this and one of my standing

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00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,320
sort of can anybody I said this with our

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00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,920
Bell a dozen times on the air is there

816
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:16,200
anybody in the world

817
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:19,800
who would like to volunteer to try to

818
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:23,730
make to duplicate this metal no one ever

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00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,620
has to this day and so now one of the

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00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:31,260
things that I learned in this process up

821
00:43:39,110 --> 00:43:36,630
to the 22 years started about 40 but no

822
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:39,120
it goes all the way back to 2012 it was

823
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:41,790
when help put off had the metal for the

824
00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:45,770
second round he's had it three times and

825
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:50,100
in his analogy is because and he had not

826
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,140
been released and nobody knew about it

827
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:55,200
but Nick Pope had sent a few pages to

828
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,920
John Burroughs because John was very ill

829
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:00,540
after we got back from the ancient

830
00:44:06,590 --> 00:44:04,050
aliens production in England in 2000 we

831
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:06,600
got back I think we got back New Year's

832
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:10,410
Eve or New Year's Day going into 2011

833
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:13,710
and within a very short period of time

834
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:17,010
upon returning he became ill and he kept

835
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:19,940
getting more and more ill and then

836
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:23,630
doctors at the VA in Phoenix were

837
00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:27,810
diagnosing that he was having liquid in

838
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:32,340
his lungs and he was in the hospital and

839
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,530
all those things happened and Nick Pope

840
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:37,380
I believe was the first one said some

841
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:41,160
pages from what we didn't know at the

842
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:45,690
time was this huge report that we would

843
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:50,300
learn about by 2013 having to do with

844
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:54,390
terahertz frequencies and their impact

845
00:45:00,850 --> 00:44:57,360
of the paragraph in this report that

846
00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:00,860
says in the Rendlesham forest incident

847
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,700
that there were and they go

848
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:05,680
say terahertz in the paragraph but

849
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:07,510
they're referring to the frequencies

850
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:11,890
emanated by you ApS as the UK government

851
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:14,710
calls them unidentified aerial phenomena

852
00:45:20,549 --> 00:45:17,559
and we've always called them UFOs in the

853
00:45:24,299 --> 00:45:20,559
United States it's one and the same that

854
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:24,309
the UA Peas emit frequencies that can

855
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:29,170
manipulate human minds and damage human

856
00:45:36,329 --> 00:45:32,170
tissue those are the words in this

857
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:36,339
report and then we learn that it had

858
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:39,940
gone to the Ministry of Defense by the

859
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:43,990
UK defense intelligence 55 staff having

860
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:46,390
to do with a study having about

861
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:49,470
technology frequencies and a lot of

862
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:52,540
facets of the UFO phenomena and have

863
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:55,480
been hand-delivered to the Minister of

864
00:46:05,490 --> 00:45:59,530
Defence in 2000 an M for reasons unknown

865
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:05,500
in 2006 it was quietly changed from UK

866
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:09,700
eyes only unclassified but nobody knew

867
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:12,790
about this in 2006 Nick Pope said he

868
00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:14,380
didn't even know they had been

869
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:17,980
unclassified but Nick and others began

870
00:46:27,329 --> 00:46:21,280
to help when we got into this crucial

871
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:27,339
year of 2012 as John burrows was getting

872
00:46:32,370 --> 00:46:29,049
sicker and sicker and the doctors

873
00:46:35,069 --> 00:46:32,380
couldn't understand and Nick sent some

874
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,079
of those pages from this report and then

875
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:38,079
we received information from how put off

876
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,940
and others and eventually it was the

877
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:45,520
bottom line as John has talked about in

878
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:49,030
his own voice on the radio and in

879
00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:50,079
presentations

880
00:46:58,819 --> 00:46:53,799
it was help that came from behind the

881
00:47:02,670 --> 00:46:58,829
scenes to VA doctors and said you must

882
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:02,680
operate and you must replace his mitral

883
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,650
valve because when you open him up you

884
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:08,319
will find that the anterior and

885
00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:09,970
posterior leaflets

886
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:11,740
the controlled blood flow through the

887
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,670
heart will be very damaged and on

888
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:17,520
December

889
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:23,770
18 2013 John Burroughs went into the

890
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:27,160
hospital for open-heart surgery and the

891
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:31,810
next day his attorney Patras Konya was

892
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,430
there and what Patras Konya in a

893
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,250
discussion with one of the doctors one

894
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:41,440
of the doctors said that he had never

895
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:45,460
seen such a shredding a deterioration of

896
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:49,420
these leaflets in the mitral valve in

897
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:52,330
the organic mitral valve ever before and

898
00:48:00,240 --> 00:47:57,010
he said if we had not replaced John

899
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:00,250
Burroughs mitral valve today I don't

900
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:02,410
believe that he would have survived

901
00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:06,820
another 24 or 48 hours well now why is

902
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:10,660
this all important it's because in the

903
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:13,870
mitral valve and in the heart the heart

904
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:17,590
is the most chambered organ in the human

905
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:22,140
body chamber means it has empty spaces

906
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:25,720
empty spaces are where something like

907
00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:29,170
terahertz frequency or frequencies can

908
00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:32,080
then vibrate the tissue if you get

909
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:34,600
vibration of the tissue this is how you

910
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,860
get damaged so of all the organs in the

911
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:41,920
human body probably the number one or

912
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:44,590
number two spot that might go back and

913
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:48,310
forth between possibly another organ but

914
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:50,710
it would most likely be the heart

915
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:54,580
because it is a chambered organ would be

916
00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:58,480
the number one organ to be most damaged

917
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:00,970
by a specific frequency or frequencies

918
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:05,470
of terahertz John Burroughs is the only

919
00:49:13,590 --> 00:49:09,010
human body that is known between

920
00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:13,600
December 26th and December 28th of 1980

921
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:16,780
in Rendlesham forest at the big RAF

922
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:18,910
Bentwaters Woodbridge Air Force Base

923
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:21,610
which at the time was NATO's largest and

924
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:24,370
he had tactical nukes on both sides of

925
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:24,910
the base

926
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:26,770
we know that today it was one of the

927
00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:29,020
best-kept secrets in the world back then

928
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,000
and

929
00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:34,450
there were witnesses on both December

930
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:38,740
26th and December 28th that John burrows

931
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:45,310
was engulfed twice by light am Adrienne

932
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:48,900
passenger on that December 28th night

933
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:52,240
yeah John burrows and Adrienne and I

934
00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:54,670
have sat for a very long time with

935
00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:57,100
Adrienne telling us about his detailed

936
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:00,670
memory and he has been one of the guys

937
00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:04,900
who is reluctant to tell everything that

938
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:08,020
he knows and saw but he did go on the

939
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:10,780
record on this part for us on phenomena

940
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:15,900
radio that the deputy base commander

941
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:20,590
Colonel Charles halt had given John

942
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:23,140
burrows permission that night under very

943
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:27,490
unusual circumstances to walk toward the

944
00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:30,370
light the light because they were

945
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:36,820
multiple right and said to John yes you

946
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:39,100
may go toward the lights because you

947
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:42,790
might draw them to us and John never

948
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:49,360
forgot that and Colonel halt then said

949
00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:52,120
and and called like it but already was

950
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:54,360
prepared with a flip of the hand

951
00:50:59,610 --> 00:50:56,590
Adrienne bust Inza who was a buck

952
00:51:02,430 --> 00:50:59,620
sergeant came running and halt said I

953
00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:02,440
want you meaning Adrienne the stanza to

954
00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:05,980
go with airman Burroughs airman first

955
00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:09,880
class Burroughs so now John is walking

956
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:13,780
with Adrienne Colonel halt and 1215

957
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:16,740
other men are there watching and

958
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:19,690
Adrienne said as they were getting

959
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:22,770
closer and closer to whatever these

960
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:26,170
multiplicity of red orange white and

961
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:29,530
blue lights were that all of a sudden

962
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:34,030
mrs. Adrienne's quote the lights pushed

963
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:37,840
me to the ground quote unquote

964
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:40,330
that's Adrienne boost in de next to John

965
00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:44,560
the lights pushed me to the ground

966
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:49,480
I saw John engulfed by the light so

967
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:50,890
that's what happened the second night

968
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:53,080
the first night was Jim Penniston who

969
00:51:59,100 --> 00:51:56,080
saw this blast of light and John

970
00:52:03,210 --> 00:51:59,110
Burroughs he never saw John for another

971
00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:03,220
45 minutes and so of all of the people

972
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:06,040
who were at RAF Bentwaters the one

973
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:08,790
person on the record seen by witnesses

974
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:12,070
to be engulfed in light twice there's

975
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:14,170
only one and that was John Burroughs so

976
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:18,370
now you jump then to we go on the 30th

977
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:21,610
anniversary with ancient aliens crew and

978
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:24,990
we're in England from around December

979
00:52:34,110 --> 00:52:29,610
23rd or something till we left on the

980
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:34,120
somewhere around New Year's Eve and we

981
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:37,900
were back on the fields walking in the

982
00:52:45,390 --> 00:52:42,160
forest on that same ground we were with

983
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:45,400
Winston Keach the brilliant engineer an

984
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:48,910
IT analyst and he brought a Trifield

985
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:51,250
meter and where we were walking in that

986
00:52:56,970 --> 00:52:53,370
big field right along Rendlesham forest

987
00:53:00,260 --> 00:52:56,980
where John and Jim Penniston thought

988
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:00,270
that they hit a place that somehow I

989
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:03,550
sort of set off their memory bells that

990
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:06,130
maybe we were in the right place but it

991
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:09,400
means that John was walking on that same

992
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,440
land 30 years later and we had the

993
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:15,280
trimeter

994
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:19,330
was going off the BEP was a tie it was

995
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:21,730
pegging it was pegging with that alarm

996
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:24,730
beep and it happened on the first night

997
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:27,160
we were there the next night third night

998
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,480
Winston was able with infrared and other

999
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:33,760
he was running two or three frequencies

1000
00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:36,610
and video and still photographs and we

1001
00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:40,600
were able to capture red orange balls of

1002
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:43,960
light blue balls of light mixed in some

1003
00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:47,680
of them in exactly the area where we

1004
00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:51,400
were walking but we never saw any of

1005
00:53:56,250 --> 00:53:54,100
these lights with our retina not our

1006
00:53:58,260 --> 00:53:56,260
human eyes it was in these other

1007
00:54:00,300 --> 00:53:58,270
frequencies that Winston Keach

1008
00:54:03,450 --> 00:54:00,310
was running all of this photographic

1009
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:03,460
equipment and we got all of these lights

1010
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:08,440
in these images and later on when John

1011
00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:11,110
started getting so sick it was a

1012
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:13,360
question it will never be answered we

1013
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:16,530
will never know was there still

1014
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:19,390
something that kept setting off the

1015
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:23,400
Trifield meter that is still there and

1016
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:26,770
that whatever it was that John Burroughs

1017
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:30,130
was exposed to as a 20 year old back in

1018
00:54:38,570 --> 00:54:35,110
1980 that when we were there in 2010 on

1019
00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:38,580
the 30th anniversary that it either

1020
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:41,830
interacted with or made worse a

1021
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:44,680
condition we will never know but that

1022
00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:47,890
question hangs there why did he become

1023
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:50,350
so sick within two to three weeks of our

1024
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:52,900
returning from England and all of this

1025
00:54:59,790 --> 00:54:57,430
is a very important context for the

1026
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,800
questions that all of us should be being

1027
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:02,410
taught on this planet and not being lied

1028
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:06,690
to that we are clearly dealing with

1029
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:09,160
intelligences and technologies that are

1030
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:12,010
highly advanced that that was the whole

1031
00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:16,660
point of the December 16 2017 New York

1032
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:20,320
Times that the FLIR camera that David

1033
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:23,020
flavor was operating and got the tic-tac

1034
00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:27,430
the other video of the other one that if

1035
00:55:37,350 --> 00:55:30,760
that they were saying as skilled pilots

1036
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:37,360
that they the speed and the angle of and

1037
00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:40,510
what was happening by those objects that

1038
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:43,360
were caught on their infrared astounded

1039
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:46,570
them as human pilot and that the

1040
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:49,870
conclusion is a human could not have

1041
00:55:57,150 --> 00:55:53,290
been in any of what was videotaped

1042
00:56:00,350 --> 00:55:57,160
because we wouldn't survive now so

1043
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:00,360
whatever we're dealing with for years

1044
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:04,920
centuries millions of years probably

1045
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:11,400
it has technologies that human

1046
00:56:19,789 --> 00:56:16,220
shoe and human mind can be affected by

1047
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:19,799
either damage or no damage what the

1048
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:22,470
difference is I don't know and I know

1049
00:56:26,779 --> 00:56:24,750
that there are doctors and scientists

1050
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:26,789
who have been studying this for at least

1051
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:30,089
fifty or sixty years not they started

1052
00:56:35,029 --> 00:56:32,670
not long after World War two and there's

1053
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:35,039
all of this information and all of this

1054
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,119
knowledge and yet we in the general

1055
00:56:45,289 --> 00:56:42,000
public of the world we are still told

1056
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,299
that there's no evidence of any other

1057
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:47,599
consciousness in this universe but

1058
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:51,839
disconnect is so schizophrenic and so

1059
00:56:57,980 --> 00:56:55,410
absurd in 2019 that I cannot believe

1060
00:57:01,960 --> 00:56:57,990
Jimmy that it that this lie can continue

1061
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:01,970
especially when humans our fellow

1062
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:05,760
humanity deserves to know what our

1063
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:08,970
government and power brokers know about

1064
00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:12,420
the intelligences what our friendly what

1065
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:14,819
our neutral and what our unfriendly

1066
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:17,609
those are basics that every human should

1067
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:19,529
know on this planet yeah and we're

1068
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,180
getting ready to find out and this is

1069
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:22,319
the thing we're gonna head towards a

1070
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:23,940
break right here Linda so let's do that

1071
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:27,720
now but as is you know starts to break

1072
00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:30,150
and I think that we are there in 2019

1073
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,819
this time around they're not going to be

1074
00:57:36,529 --> 00:57:34,380
in control they're not going to be in

1075
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:36,539
control the paradigm shift is going to

1076
00:57:41,779 --> 00:57:40,049
be away from them it's not going to be

1077
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,789
anything that they can handle and that

1078
00:57:46,579 --> 00:57:44,460
will cause the response that's my gut

1079
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:46,589
feeling and that's why we were so close

1080
00:57:53,299 --> 00:57:50,520
in in 2018 all right our guest I know we

1081
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:53,309
were close our guest tonight is Linda

1082
00:57:59,359 --> 00:57:56,220
Moulton Howe and when we come back we've

1083
00:58:02,329 --> 00:57:59,369
got a lot of stuff to discuss from 2018

1084
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:02,339
and I don't know where I'm gonna start

1085
00:58:06,740 --> 00:58:05,549
but I have the sneaky suspicion I think

1086
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:06,750
I'm going Bob Lazar

1087
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:08,910
let's do Bob Lazar after the break Linda

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you're cool with that yeah let's do Bob

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your host Amy church tonight Linda

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Moulton Howes with us helping us kick

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off 2019

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tomorrow night's Robert Schoch is here

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as we start to look at 2018 one of the

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01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:37,730
things that stands out for me is the

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resurfacing of bob lazar now you haven't

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01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:44,910
seen the new documentary right I have

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you haven't seen it so you can't comment

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there which is fine

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but the question that I would have for

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you at this point is Bob comfortably

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01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:57,240
went away for 25 years right he walked

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away from from everything moved to

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Michigan continued with his company and

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led the quiet life why why do you think

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the time was now for him to resurface

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and and do this documentary why would he

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do that well probably because of what we

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are sensing and have been since at least

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December of 2017 that everything is

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shifting towards finally opening up the

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truth that were not alone in this

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universe

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and that if I were Bob Lazar and had

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01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:34,740
been attacked as unmercifully as he was

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and I think incorrectly that this is the

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01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,300
time to try to write the truth I mean I

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I'm second-guessing I haven't talked

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with him for a long time but back in the

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1989-1990 time period 88 actually going

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back is when John and Lear and Bob Lazar

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we're calling me on a regular basis

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talking about what was happening at area

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51 and they mountain above and the night

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:09,240
kind of staying up at night to watch for

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the UFOs and lights and it was 1990 that

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I was I 89 to 90 I was in it

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01:05:25,469 --> 01:05:23,140
working for CNN and Turner on an

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environmental television series called

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01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:30,489
earth beat and it was that spring that

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01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:35,109
Bob Lazar said why don't you come out to

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01:05:42,059 --> 01:05:38,799
Las Vegas around memoriae was Memorial

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Day weekend and it was going to be

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George Knapp and Bob Lazar and John Lear

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and a group of people that he said we we

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can talk and go through some of the

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issues and and then so I did and in the

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process of being able to spend a lot of

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uninterrupted time listening to Bob's

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01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:11,680
point of view it boiled down to his

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saying then that all of the attacks

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01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:18,700
about him claiming that he had a degree

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01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:22,660
from MIT were wrong that he wasn't

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01:06:28,339 --> 01:06:25,450
adopted a lot of people don't realize he

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was an adopted child and his parents

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didn't have the money to put him into

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some of the colleges that his high

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01:06:39,479 --> 01:06:36,249
school buddies they've been nerds and

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loved taking cars apart and doing

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electrical things and so some of these

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best friends he said had gone to some of

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the better schools up in the Northeast

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01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:50,950
and that he he bob lazar not being able

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01:06:56,459 --> 01:06:53,920
to do that decided that he would visit

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in some of those classes where his

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friends were listen and that that is

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when he had discussed what he had

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learned at MIT not that he had a degree

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let me jump at Linda if I may let me

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01:07:12,749 --> 01:07:10,900
jump in real quick you are an

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investigative journalist and reporter

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01:07:19,769 --> 01:07:15,819
and especially at that time your your

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:19,779
radar is up and how was your radar

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01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,210
operating with Bob at that point were

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01:07:27,420 --> 01:07:24,400
you listening did you you know were you

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01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:27,430
squinty eyed were you wondering did you

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01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:29,530
where's your BS meter up

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01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:35,410
and we're looking yeah for me for George

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Knapp for Jeremy Korbel for people that

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you spend time around Bob Lazar he is he

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is not he's he's not a showboat he's not

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talking to you with trying to impress

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it's the opposite

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he is understated in many ways and that

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you came away I came away with the

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impression that I was listening to a

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person who wasn't claiming to have PhDs

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:19,450
wasn't claiming any big thing beyond the

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fact that he had been exposed at area 51

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01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:30,960
through teller through Los Alamos

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01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:36,670
getting a very short term going out to

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01:08:42,329 --> 01:08:40,900
area 51 where EG&G it was through EG&G

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01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:42,339
in the Navy

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01:08:48,570 --> 01:08:46,060
those were the two combinations that his

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01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:48,580
he had three paychecks as I recall and

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01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:53,080
remember that we were able to see that

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:08:55,630
they had come through the Navy and they

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were associated with EG&G and that was

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who his temporary employer was allegedly

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01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:08,710
from Bob Lazar saying it was teller

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01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:11,109
and he had talked with teller about his

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01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:14,350
interest in learning more about area 51

1284
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:16,870
and working on any exotic craft that

1285
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:20,980
would fall into the UFO category and he

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01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:23,380
was talking with teller straight about

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01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:27,270
that and that that's how he got that job

1288
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:30,640
but the the part that really kicked in

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01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:33,250
for me and that Memorial Day weekend it

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01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:37,270
was listening to him in his kind of

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01:09:46,210 --> 01:09:42,230
understated way that his

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:46,220
he went under a craft that was inside of

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01:09:53,050 --> 01:09:49,370
the Papoose mountain range down below

1294
01:09:55,570 --> 01:09:53,060
they had it propped up and that he's

1295
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:55,580
describing what he was seeing and this

1296
01:10:02,770 --> 01:09:59,420
is back in nineteen Memorial Day of what

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01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:02,780
would have been 1989 I believe 1989 or

1298
01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:05,840
1990 it was I know it was 1990 because

1299
01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:09,260
that summer I went to a mutant

1300
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:12,470
conference in Gulf Breeze so it was May

1301
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:15,890
of 1990 and he was talking about

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01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:18,530
something that very few people would

1303
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:22,790
ever have known ever then if they hadn't

1304
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:27,710
seen something like this and he said I'm

1305
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:32,770
supposed to look at ex-parte underneath

1306
01:10:38,620 --> 01:10:35,540
having to do with this strange yellow

1307
01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:38,630
powder that he called element 115 we can

1308
01:10:42,610 --> 01:10:40,700
talk about that in a minute

1309
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:42,620
and this propulsion system and all of

1310
01:10:48,430 --> 01:10:44,930
that that was what they were exposing

1311
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:48,440
him to but he said up above inside this

1312
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:50,810
same crap because he's down below but he

1313
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:54,040
could see up above that there were

1314
01:11:00,340 --> 01:10:56,930
scientists electricians and they had

1315
01:11:03,490 --> 01:11:00,350
various equipment inside and it would

1316
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:03,500
look like a solid silver disc remember

1317
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:05,870
how he called it the sports model yes

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01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:08,090
that's what he was under and working on

1319
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,230
okay imagine that sports model as if it

1320
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:14,960
were divided into wedges think of an

1321
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,330
orange the way orange you cut an orange

1322
01:11:22,210 --> 01:11:19,760
jump in and there would be wedges but

1323
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:22,220
that you don't see any of the lines of

1324
01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:24,980
the wedges but what he could see is that

1325
01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:28,190
the men on the floor the scientists they

1326
01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:31,340
would hook something push something and

1327
01:11:37,870 --> 01:11:35,270
a panel would go totally transparent in

1328
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:37,880
what otherwise lies look like a solid

1329
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,020
silver and then they would they would

1330
01:11:47,979 --> 01:11:44,480
let go of whatever that connection was

1331
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:47,989
it would go back solid and another panel

1332
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:50,680
would go crystal clear and that Bob was

1333
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:55,170
completely fascinated with that well

1334
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:00,300
that was one of those very rarely heard

1335
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:02,910
I think I've only talked with a couple

1336
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:06,450
of people who have worked as engineers

1337
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:08,820
or physicists in some of this back

1338
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:11,970
engineering work and they have said that

1339
01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:15,330
some of the crap maybe all of them and

1340
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,190
maybe it's just the ones where they

1341
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:19,500
actually were able to try various

1342
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:22,770
experiments with that the craft like

1343
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:26,040
exactly what Travis Walton described in

1344
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:32,010
Arizona that when he pushed a lever that

1345
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:35,820
the end in that case all of the craft

1346
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:38,430
that looks solid went clear and it

1347
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:40,470
scared him because it looked like he was

1348
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:42,780
hanging in space but it was that

1349
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:45,330
transparent in me in the craft that he

1350
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:47,210
was in playing around with those knobs

1351
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:52,310
so it it's some kind of to use the word

1352
01:12:59,360 --> 01:12:55,860
polarization is the only active word

1353
01:13:01,370 --> 01:12:59,370
that I know but these were details that

1354
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:01,380
were not generally discussed or

1355
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:03,750
described in the public anywhere on this

1356
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:08,430
planet but bob was describing what he

1357
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:12,690
had been seeing and and then when it

1358
01:13:18,860 --> 01:13:15,330
came to this issue of the element 115

1359
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:18,870
the yellow powder that you could handle

1360
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:22,920
and it had to do with developing and

1361
01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:24,840
neutralizing gravity and all of these

1362
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:27,390
propulsion systems the thing that's

1363
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:31,800
puzzling and I have not had a chance to

1364
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:33,630
have any discussion with him about this

1365
01:13:41,150 --> 01:13:38,370
since about 2004 it was Livermore and I

1366
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:41,160
did a story at her files.com that I

1367
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:43,370
brought up in front of me to remind me

1368
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:48,330
scientists create and add elements 113

1369
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:52,740
and 115 to the periodic table and this

1370
01:14:02,360 --> 01:13:55,980
is an earth files.com that I produced

1371
01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:02,370
February 6 2004 and this is the strange

1372
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:06,030
thing about all of this is that Bob

1373
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:09,010
insisted that it was in some

1374
01:14:19,620 --> 01:14:14,560
of a stable yellowish form whatever they

1375
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:19,630
had with that craft but it and I got a

1376
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:22,090
quote according to Bob Lazar only half a

1377
01:14:31,620 --> 01:14:27,570
pound of the element 115 @s for area 51

1378
01:14:35,490 --> 01:14:31,630
could power a spacecraft for about 30

1379
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:35,500
earth years more amazing than that

1380
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:37,870
he said top secret scientific research

1381
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:40,390
had concluded that the huge energy

1382
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:44,710
element 115 could produce was used to

1383
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:47,980
distort space and time with strong

1384
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:51,010
gravitational fields also generated by

1385
01:14:57,170 --> 01:14:54,130
technology on the spacecraft the result

1386
01:15:01,080 --> 01:14:57,180
was that the disc could quickly quote

1387
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:01,090
jump around in the cosmos from point to

1388
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:03,970
point rather than the impossibly long

1389
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:06,220
travel in lightyears the current human

1390
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:10,320
technology would face close quote now

1391
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:18,040
when you come to current science it's

1392
01:15:26,580 --> 01:15:22,810
not something that's stable so far

1393
01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:26,590
element 115 as far as at least the

1394
01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:30,990
public knows it's not a yellowish powder

1395
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:35,830
so what is the difference between what

1396
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:39,960
Bob Lazar had @s for area 51 right

1397
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:44,770
versus the isotope of element 115 which

1398
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:47,710
is all we know about which has you know

1399
01:15:56,190 --> 01:15:52,570
a billionth of a second so what are

1400
01:15:58,170 --> 01:15:56,200
these differences and the very fact and

1401
01:15:59,730 --> 01:15:58,180
and this is a really important point

1402
01:16:07,110 --> 01:15:59,740
tonight on fade to black

1403
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:07,120
I believe that Bob Lazar tried to report

1404
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:10,120
as honestly and straightforwardly as he

1405
01:16:18,690 --> 01:16:14,350
could possibly do about what he had been

1406
01:16:23,339 --> 01:16:18,700
exposed to and what it was called and

1407
01:16:29,219 --> 01:16:23,349
what he understood now that was back in

1408
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:29,229
the late 80s element 115 on our periodic

1409
01:16:35,689 --> 01:16:33,070
table was not supposed to be or is not

1410
01:16:41,959 --> 01:16:35,699
supposed to have been confirmed until

1411
01:16:46,949 --> 01:16:41,969
2004 jump from 1988 89 to 2004

1412
01:16:49,739 --> 01:16:46,959
why what's the disconnect and these are

1413
01:16:52,770 --> 01:16:49,749
some of the puzzles when you start

1414
01:16:55,049 --> 01:16:52,780
getting into what has the United States

1415
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:55,059
government been back-engineering since

1416
01:17:01,229 --> 01:16:56,219
World War two

1417
01:17:04,529 --> 01:17:01,239
for real um people who come in through

1418
01:17:07,410 --> 01:17:04,539
sub contracts or contracts for two or

1419
01:17:10,890 --> 01:17:07,420
three paychecks for whatever is the

1420
01:17:13,259 --> 01:17:10,900
specific reason and they get exposed to

1421
01:17:17,819 --> 01:17:13,269
something that is outside it's very

1422
01:17:20,459 --> 01:17:17,829
different and so the general public

1423
01:17:25,290 --> 01:17:20,469
reaction is to react and say he must be

1424
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,300
lying when in fact I would argue that

1425
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:28,840
Bob Lazar to the best of his ability has

1426
01:17:35,549 --> 01:17:31,300
described exactly what he experienced

1427
01:17:38,609 --> 01:17:35,559
what he saw what he was told but why is

1428
01:17:41,310 --> 01:17:38,619
there this big difference about element

1429
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:41,320
115 yeah and I don't have an answer to

1430
01:17:45,839 --> 01:17:43,209
that yeah I don't either

1431
01:17:47,729 --> 01:17:45,849
and you know there's like two or three

1432
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:47,739
questions here when it comes to 115 one

1433
01:17:53,609 --> 01:17:50,409
the stable version of it he indicated

1434
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:53,619
that we were in possession of 500 pounds

1435
01:17:58,739 --> 01:17:55,329
of it I think that was the number right

1436
01:18:01,560 --> 01:17:58,749
we had 500 pounds of 115 and so

1437
01:18:05,009 --> 01:18:01,570
obviously it's mined somewhere it might

1438
01:18:07,529 --> 01:18:05,019
be manufactured but but it's mined

1439
01:18:09,899 --> 01:18:07,539
somewhere I doubt that it's on this

1440
01:18:14,219 --> 01:18:09,909
planet that it arrived to is off planet

1441
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,229
but the other part of it is if it's

1442
01:18:18,839 --> 01:18:16,239
mined off planet and there's a stable

1443
01:18:21,029 --> 01:18:18,849
version of it why can't we get to a

1444
01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:21,039
stable version of it here and

1445
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:26,020
manufactured and - he's also indicated

1446
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:29,010
not in an official sense he certainly

1447
01:18:35,130 --> 01:18:32,470
alludes to this in the documentary that

1448
01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:35,140
he stole some write that that he's got

1449
01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:39,100
some stashed away and if let me ask you

1450
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:42,220
this Linda if you were you know let's

1451
01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:44,140
put Bob Lazar to the side right we're

1452
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:45,670
not talking about Bob we're talking

1453
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:53,110
about you like your Byzantine material

1454
01:18:57,870 --> 01:18:56,170
right if you were in possession of 115 a

1455
01:19:00,180 --> 01:18:57,880
stable version of it he had a couple of

1456
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:00,190
grams of it right there in New Mexico

1457
01:19:06,450 --> 01:19:03,160
would you go public with it would you

1458
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:06,460
would you become a martyr would you go

1459
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:11,380
public with it well I mean now we're

1460
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:16,080
talking about a question of knowledge of

1461
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:23,290
doing something wrong I'm personally I'm

1462
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:24,970
not saying if you I'm not saying that

1463
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:25,810
you stole it

1464
01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:28,450
I'm saying that somebody gave it to you

1465
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:30,820
and you were in possession of this 115

1466
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:33,060
would you go public would you would you

1467
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:36,190
well the parallel is where we started

1468
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:40,080
about the business magnesium zinc right

1469
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:42,970
yeah we were public right from the

1470
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:46,780
get-go right but we were as soon as we

1471
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:47,500
got it

1472
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:51,370
I was on the air with art on coast and

1473
01:19:59,880 --> 01:19:55,360
Greenland constantly reporting about who

1474
01:20:03,210 --> 01:19:59,890
I was talking to got Travis Taylor who

1475
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:03,220
was working at Redstone army Arsenal

1476
01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:07,030
down in Alabama he called me and he was

1477
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:10,420
he was so provoked by what I was

1478
01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:13,450
reporting that he said right out

1479
01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:15,580
straight out I work for the Defense

1480
01:20:22,890 --> 01:20:19,900
Intelligence Agency I am I would like to

1481
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:22,900
volunteer to try to do some tests

1482
01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:25,420
electrostatic tests and various things

1483
01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:28,780
with this material let's see if we if it

1484
01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:32,590
is a lifting body and that's how Travis

1485
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:35,230
Taylor and I originally worked on this I

1486
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:38,800
was in Alabama we videotape

1487
01:20:44,939 --> 01:20:42,010
of experiments that we did we did others

1488
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:44,949
he arranged for me to work with it was a

1489
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,199
DoD lab in California and it was

1490
01:20:55,109 --> 01:20:52,239
stressed that what we were doing in

1491
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:55,119
California was never to be discussed on

1492
01:21:02,750 --> 01:20:58,800
the air and I was fine with that because

1493
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:02,760
right from the beginning of April of

1494
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:07,540
1996 there was nobody once I went on the

1495
01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:11,050
air and said we've got this box and it's

1496
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:14,020
from a man who identified himself as a

1497
01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:17,679
Army sergeant and his grandfather and

1498
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:21,550
told the story and he the grandfather

1499
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:24,280
left these metal pieces and I'm going to

1500
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:26,650
try to find out what they are could they

1501
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:29,050
possibly be from one of the crash discs

1502
01:21:35,879 --> 01:21:32,130
in Roswell and everything was open

1503
01:21:38,549 --> 01:21:35,889
everything was public that I was doing

1504
01:21:41,129 --> 01:21:38,559
and finding and what happened is people

1505
01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:41,139
started coming out of the woodwork

1506
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,380
coming forth and saying look you need to

1507
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:47,199
do X you need to do Y Travis is one of

1508
01:21:54,930 --> 01:21:50,530
those and we did some tests that had

1509
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:54,940
some provocative movement on the part of

1510
01:22:01,229 --> 01:21:58,239
the business magnesium zinc sideways but

1511
01:22:02,970 --> 01:22:01,239
we never had it go up into the air which

1512
01:22:08,129 --> 01:22:02,980
is what some people thought would happen

1513
01:22:11,629 --> 01:22:08,139
now with Travis the DIA when he said I

1514
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:11,639
can work with you and the DIA his

1515
01:22:18,299 --> 01:22:15,010
superior said as long as you and Linda

1516
01:22:21,419 --> 01:22:18,309
Moulton Howe are prepared to have a

1517
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:21,429
report you Travis from Linda and

1518
01:22:26,879 --> 01:22:23,980
everything you're doing we want to know

1519
01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:26,889
everything you find out as an

1520
01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:31,480
investigative reporter back in 1996 when

1521
01:22:38,879 --> 01:22:35,980
I heard from Travis that the DIA was

1522
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:38,889
saying they wanted to have a report of

1523
01:22:44,129 --> 01:22:41,650
everything we were learning it said to

1524
01:22:47,459 --> 01:22:44,139
me they don't know what this is they

1525
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:47,469
don't know how to make it work they want

1526
01:22:52,410 --> 01:22:50,860
to know what we find out which I think

1527
01:22:56,340 --> 01:22:52,420
subsequently is

1528
01:23:00,090 --> 01:22:56,350
part of the truth eventually because

1529
01:23:02,459 --> 01:23:00,100
everything I was doing was public I did

1530
01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:02,469
start getting what would be in the

1531
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:04,750
category of whistleblower saying I can't

1532
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:07,750
go on the radio I can't but you need to

1533
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:11,800
know X that led to the one of the most

1534
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:14,380
exciting discussions that I had three

1535
01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:18,280
years ago it was at a conference and it

1536
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:23,949
was a physicist a conference turns out

1537
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:26,980
to be a good protection because in a

1538
01:23:33,630 --> 01:23:31,570
mass of people no one knows what anybody

1539
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:33,640
is talking to me about usually because

1540
01:23:39,650 --> 01:23:37,210
it's so noisy right and so it's kind of

1541
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:39,660
a good place and I've had half a dozen

1542
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:42,070
people with real solid information

1543
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:45,070
approached me at conferences and this

1544
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:47,830
was one of them and here is the part

1545
01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:51,100
that is so relevant and expands the

1546
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:53,500
context of Bob Lazar the business

1547
01:24:00,450 --> 01:23:55,500
magnesium zinc in all of it

1548
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:00,460
this business has said I listened to

1549
01:24:06,900 --> 01:24:03,550
your radio reports about that business

1550
01:24:10,620 --> 01:24:06,910
magnesium zinc back in the nineties and

1551
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:10,630
he said I want you to know that in the

1552
01:24:19,169 --> 01:24:14,320
early 70s I was working underground at

1553
01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:19,179
area 51 in s4 and he said and I was

1554
01:24:25,650 --> 01:24:22,780
working on a slab of the same material

1555
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:25,660
that you have little pieces of he said I

1556
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:27,640
was working with a slab that was six

1557
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:31,330
feet long and 3 feet wide and he said it

1558
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:36,239
was the outer skin of a wedge shaped

1559
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:38,980
vehicle from someplace else

1560
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:42,760
not made by humans and that he wanted me

1561
01:24:52,169 --> 01:24:46,690
to know that the trick was we would

1562
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:52,179
never ever discover the power and the

1563
01:24:59,550 --> 01:24:55,150
importance of the business magnesium

1564
01:25:02,550 --> 01:24:59,560
zinc outer skin unless we had the inner

1565
01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:02,560
skin that the inner skin and the outer

1566
01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:05,560
skin of the wedge-shaped craft had to be

1567
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:06,220
working

1568
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:08,110
together and then they would neutralize

1569
01:25:16,110 --> 01:25:11,140
gravity he said Linda you could blow on

1570
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:16,120
a craft and it would move now what the

1571
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:19,210
the concept of an inner skin and an

1572
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:22,330
outer skin it had to do with intelligent

1573
01:25:30,140 --> 01:25:26,890
atomic arrangement things that we are

1574
01:25:32,130 --> 01:25:30,150
just I know we do I know we have

1575
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:32,140
nanotechnology and I know that we can

1576
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:36,130
place things now increasingly well at an

1577
01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:39,010
atomic level but as you go back into the

1578
01:25:46,830 --> 01:25:42,700
90s the 80s in the 70s and 60s nobody

1579
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:46,840
was doing that right right so I so as

1580
01:25:53,690 --> 01:25:50,410
the physicist was explaining it was as

1581
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:53,700
if and and this is why this is important

1582
01:26:00,200 --> 01:25:57,340
there are so many people whether they've

1583
01:26:03,390 --> 01:26:00,210
been scientists on the science side or

1584
01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:03,400
military on the military or Intel side

1585
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:06,670
they all told me the same thing for the

1586
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:13,600
last 20-30 years everything relating to

1587
01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:18,330
UFOs and ETS is so compartmentalized

1588
01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:23,800
that it is in itself a block to our

1589
01:26:31,470 --> 01:26:28,720
being able to evolve the technology that

1590
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:31,480
the white world scientists there are

1591
01:26:35,670 --> 01:26:33,970
brilliant white world scientists that if

1592
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:35,680
they knew the truth that they were able

1593
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:39,370
to have their hands on six foot by three

1594
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:42,610
foot slabs of this kind of material who

1595
01:26:49,530 --> 01:26:46,210
knows we might make leaps and bounds on

1596
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:49,540
developing how to neutralize gravity so

1597
01:26:56,460 --> 01:26:53,530
they we'd move point to point and that

1598
01:27:00,120 --> 01:26:56,470
that is part of the sadness in all of

1599
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:00,130
this that right from the beginning maybe

1600
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:03,310
for good reasons maybe not everything

1601
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:06,940
went to the black world and the black

1602
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:10,270
world is so compartmentalized that is

1603
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:13,930
one scientist took me back in it was

1604
01:27:19,470 --> 01:27:17,260
1999 he said that he had worked for the

1605
01:27:23,090 --> 01:27:19,480
Defense Intelligence Agency

1606
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:23,100
for 23 years and was retiring and he

1607
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:26,980
wanted to talk with me about material

1608
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:28,930
that I had specifically in glimpses of

1609
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:31,930
other realities vol 2 hi strangers my

1610
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:35,890
third book and in the process of getting

1611
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:39,130
into the details he he told me this

1612
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:44,800
he said 23 years I worked on analyzing

1613
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:46,780
the competition of different

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01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:48,730
civilizations from outside in the

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01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:51,160
universe that have been competing and

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01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:53,739
terraforming and genetically

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:27:56,770
manipulating in this solar system and on

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01:28:04,310 --> 01:27:59,410
this planet and throughout many other

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01:28:09,330 --> 01:28:04,320
places for millions of years Linda and a

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01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:09,340
particular subject that I had worked on

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01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:11,530
and was told it was the single most

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classified sensitive subject in the

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United States government and no one was

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01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:18,340
ever to know anything about it

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01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:24,640
I get a call in 1989 saying there is a

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new book out it's a reporter named Linda

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01:28:32,130 --> 01:28:30,400
Moulton Howe you have to get this book

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01:28:35,610 --> 01:28:32,140
it's called glimpses of other realities

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01:28:38,670 --> 01:28:35,620
vol 2 high strangeness gave him the page

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01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:38,680
numbers he said I went you have an

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01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:41,820
entire chapter a hundred pages

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01:28:48,540 --> 01:28:46,330
illustrations map of exactly the subject

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01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:48,550
that I thought would never meet the

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01:28:58,500 --> 01:28:55,620
light of day twenty-three years well

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01:29:02,150 --> 01:28:58,510
here's my last set okay okay

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01:29:04,770 --> 01:29:02,160
it was the reason is because the human

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01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:04,780
abductees are not working in

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01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:08,380
compartmentalized classified projects

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01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:11,080
they are fellow human beings that are

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01:29:17,790 --> 01:29:14,370
interacting for reasons unknown with the

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01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:17,800
intelligences that are the makers of

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01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:20,650
these advanced technology so we got to

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01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:22,570
take a break right here but so you are

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01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:25,330
saying that you would have come forward

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01:29:31,860 --> 01:29:29,520
if you were in possession of 115 right I

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would have definitely approached

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scientists instead

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would you help me understand this Linda

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Moulton Howe that's what I'm talking

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about we'll be right back after this

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short break this is fade to black stay

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welcome back

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01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:21,000
fade to black I am your host of a church

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I guess tonight Linda Moulton Howe you

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01:34:27,919 --> 01:34:24,840
can follow me on Twitter join the

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01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:27,929
conversation right now Twitter is on

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01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,409
fire man the amazing thing Linda check

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01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:36,719
this out on Twitter I'm not sure if you

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01:34:42,979 --> 01:34:38,610
are aware of this but during a fade to

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black broadcast we do two three and four

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thousand tweets per night it's

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absolutely insane you should come over

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01:34:56,140 --> 01:34:50,639
and join us one night it's a it's so

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01:35:05,030 --> 01:34:59,180
right now it's all about you that's

1746
01:35:09,290 --> 01:35:05,040
that's the ministry enjoying the

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01:35:11,359 --> 01:35:09,300
conversation and and one of the okay you

1748
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:11,369
know what check this out latest tweet

1749
01:35:18,770 --> 01:35:15,060
just came in a few seconds ago about

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01:35:20,930 --> 01:35:18,780
John Levine and I'll read you the tweet

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01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:20,940
okay are you ready this is from

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01:35:26,780 --> 01:35:23,760
Cassandra she says though the John

1753
01:35:28,609 --> 01:35:26,790
Levine Apollo 20 story fell apart Linda

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01:35:31,729 --> 01:35:28,619
had talked about evidence of a secret

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01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:31,739
Cold War NASA program has Linda come

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01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:34,170
upon any new evidence to suggest Levine

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01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:36,420
was involved in the secret program at

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01:35:41,209 --> 01:35:38,670
all Linda it sounds like I'm asking that

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01:35:42,740 --> 01:35:41,219
question that's how good twitter is

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01:35:47,540 --> 01:35:42,750
isn't that amazing

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01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:47,550
well yes but so I'm glad that you have

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01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:49,500
an audience now that is interested in

1763
01:36:00,859 --> 01:35:56,210
this because the story the love vine

1764
01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:00,869
emerged with at the end of October was

1765
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:04,860
about his role in a secret astronaut

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01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:09,510
program that involved a secret Apollo 18

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01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:13,440
19 and 20 after the official public

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01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,000
Apollo 17 and he also said didn't he

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01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:20,280
also say that he was a secret astronaut

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01:36:28,939 --> 01:36:26,520
on Apollo 17 yes he did okay but what

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01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:28,949
what I'm trying to go to the heart is

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01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:29,560
that

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01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:35,110
when I first talked with Levine the part

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01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:38,350
that really caught my attention and I

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01:36:46,290 --> 01:36:42,310
ended up doing three segments three

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01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:46,300
interviews that total five hours was he

1777
01:36:53,150 --> 01:36:49,900
talked about he sent me his birth

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01:36:58,670 --> 01:36:53,160
certificate sent me his DD 214 s and

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01:37:03,810 --> 01:36:58,680
sent a real it was a one of these

1780
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:03,820
Vietnam War kind of awards all of this

1781
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:06,250
stuff in the beginning and talked about

1782
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:12,430
how his father also worked in a science

1783
01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:15,610
capacity and was a very good friend of

1784
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:18,640
Howard Hughes Howard to use a fuse tool

1785
01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:25,840
Hughes aerospace and back in the 60s you

1786
01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:28,780
would put Howard Hughes as an 800-pound

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01:37:38,430 --> 01:37:32,140
gorilla in the whole aviation and

1788
01:37:40,860 --> 01:37:38,440
aerospace world and hold that thought

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01:37:45,090 --> 01:37:40,870
and then I'm going to jump to a

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01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:45,100
discussion ten days ago I got a contact

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01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,370
from a man who said I grew up with John

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01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:50,320
Levine and his real birth certificate

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01:37:57,690 --> 01:37:54,010
name is John Harold Levine he's had many

1794
01:38:00,510 --> 01:37:57,700
aliases and this person calls and said I

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01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:00,520
grew up with him in Vermont and Vermont

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01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:03,550
is on his birth certificate and he said

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01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:07,090
I hate the guy for a bunch of reasons

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01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:11,170
but Linda I want you to know that you're

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01:38:17,610 --> 01:38:14,410
on the right track about the fact that

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01:38:21,210 --> 01:38:17,620
Howard Hughes was very close to his

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01:38:24,180 --> 01:38:21,220
father and that when he tells you that

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01:38:27,870 --> 01:38:24,190
he got a job because Howard Hughes

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01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:27,880
wanted the young teenage John Levine to

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01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:29,290
do some work for the Central

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01:38:34,980 --> 01:38:31,990
Intelligence Agency he said that is the

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01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:34,990
truth okay so this is a guy who is not

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01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:40,330
calling and acting on behalf is saying a

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01:38:42,899 --> 01:38:42,130
whole bunch of things that he didn't

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01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:42,909
like

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01:38:50,219 --> 01:38:45,249
John Levine growing up but that he knew

1811
01:38:52,409 --> 01:38:50,229
this part of the story was real so it's

1812
01:38:57,899 --> 01:38:52,419
a complex landscape but now let's go

1813
01:39:01,199 --> 01:38:57,909
further because this John Levine emerged

1814
01:39:05,099 --> 01:39:01,209
on the scene at the end of October I did

1815
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,109
the interviews and was at her files and

1816
01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:07,119
coast in real x-files

1817
01:39:17,729 --> 01:39:12,129
if I've been doing earth file since 1998

1818
01:39:20,759 --> 01:39:17,739
and this is 2019 and it has always had a

1819
01:39:25,229 --> 01:39:20,769
paragraph that real x-files saying that

1820
01:39:27,689 --> 01:39:25,239
I place material that I cannot prove but

1821
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:27,699
that I feel that the public needs to

1822
01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:31,840
consider it in real x-files plus I put

1823
01:39:36,299 --> 01:39:34,329
all animal mutilation stories and

1824
01:39:38,849 --> 01:39:36,309
photographs that might be problematic

1825
01:39:41,969 --> 01:39:38,859
for a general audience always in real

1826
01:39:44,969 --> 01:39:41,979
x-files and that is what's called the

1827
01:39:47,009 --> 01:39:44,979
subscription wall for children and

1828
01:39:50,729 --> 01:39:47,019
others they can't just stumble across

1829
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:50,739
the mutilation photos all of that was

1830
01:39:56,759 --> 01:39:53,320
there from the beginning and that was my

1831
01:40:01,049 --> 01:39:56,769
intent and we kept I've been working

1832
01:40:04,919 --> 01:40:01,059
with a group of five guys that are Navy

1833
01:40:08,369 --> 01:40:04,929
and various other expertise and we

1834
01:40:12,449 --> 01:40:08,379
started doing research when I was doing

1835
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:12,459
the interviews with Levine and as as it

1836
01:40:21,419 --> 01:40:16,329
was posted I got information that came

1837
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:21,429
in from people one person that I know is

1838
01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:25,090
working in special ops and he knew about

1839
01:40:32,419 --> 01:40:28,780
Levine and he told me that when it came

1840
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:32,429
to memory-wipe that that is a well-known

1841
01:40:39,810 --> 01:40:35,760
process and that this person had been

1842
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:39,820
exposed to it himself and said that it

1843
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:43,840
is possible that a human could be in

1844
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:46,090
let's say working for the CIA from a

1845
01:40:52,109 --> 01:40:50,169
teenage year on and whatever they did

1846
01:40:54,089 --> 01:40:52,119
and we're hired to do if they have a

1847
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:54,099
memory wipe and then they have a memory

1848
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:55,520
replacement

1849
01:41:02,530 --> 01:40:59,840
relay write that you will get a problem

1850
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:02,540
I'm not defending the line but I'm

1851
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:06,410
talking about why in December my next

1852
01:41:12,190 --> 01:41:10,250
round of reports had to do with MKULTRA

1853
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:12,200
that john greenwald and i have been

1854
01:41:16,030 --> 01:41:15,050
working and we did phenomena and a bunch

1855
01:41:19,180 --> 01:41:16,040
of things together

1856
01:41:23,290 --> 01:41:19,190
very important documents that because of

1857
01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:23,300
John's FOIA requests and as he calls it

1858
01:41:30,990 --> 01:41:25,400
his battle with the CIA over getting

1859
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:31,000
MKULTRA it is so clear that from 1953

1860
01:41:36,670 --> 01:41:34,400
that our government was intent on

1861
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:36,680
finding ways with hypnosis with

1862
01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:39,320
chemicals with all kinds of things and

1863
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:42,190
it says right in the documents to

1864
01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:45,800
amnesia amnesia was selective and

1865
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:48,710
controlled amnesia those are phrases

1866
01:41:54,970 --> 01:41:52,610
that you find in the now FOIA released

1867
01:41:58,570 --> 01:41:54,980
after how many years some of these

1868
01:42:01,870 --> 01:41:58,580
documents go back 50 60 years and the

1869
01:42:04,630 --> 01:42:01,880
CIA is still fighting John on not

1870
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:04,640
releasing documents pass I think he has

1871
01:42:11,290 --> 01:42:08,030
not gotten documents past the 70s and so

1872
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:11,300
what else is there well that there are

1873
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:13,370
people who have worked for our

1874
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:15,770
government who have had selective

1875
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:18,890
amnesia on purpose in order to control

1876
01:42:25,570 --> 01:42:21,910
leaks and they can have memory

1877
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:25,580
replacements and then what is the human

1878
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:28,760
mind capable of can you actually have

1879
01:42:34,090 --> 01:42:30,890
all of this happen and not reach a point

1880
01:42:36,910 --> 01:42:34,100
where you haven't got a clue what the

1881
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:36,920
real truth is I would imagine that that

1882
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,130
is probably true and this is not a

1883
01:42:46,810 --> 01:42:43,280
defense of Lamine it is that lavigne

1884
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:46,820
coming forth with a story has opened up

1885
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:51,050
a goldmine in so many directions and

1886
01:42:57,480 --> 01:42:54,560
that the that I am beginning to find

1887
01:43:00,100 --> 01:42:57,490
that there are people that I completely

1888
01:43:03,700 --> 01:43:00,110
know their backgrounds and trusts and

1889
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:03,710
they are telling me that they have heard

1890
01:43:09,340 --> 01:43:07,130
that we probably were on the backside of

1891
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:09,350
the moon possibly be four

1892
01:43:17,950 --> 01:43:14,930
or 1976 in secret missions all having to

1893
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:17,960
do with the government being aware that

1894
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:20,690
there was an alien presence that it was

1895
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:25,250
using the moon we wanted to find out and

1896
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:28,250
all of this is beginning to emerge and

1897
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:32,960
even deeper textures and one of the

1898
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:36,320
discoveries that I made in this Third

1899
01:43:42,130 --> 01:43:39,320
Earth files that I put up two days two

1900
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:42,140
nights ago January 13th UK engineer

1901
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,050
describes some real NASA secrets all of

1902
01:43:53,580 --> 01:43:48,080
this has emerged because of digging in

1903
01:43:59,530 --> 01:43:53,590
and around the Laveen story and in a

1904
01:44:03,040 --> 01:43:59,540
July 2015 so only three years ago FOIA

1905
01:44:07,870 --> 01:44:03,050
released National Reconnaissance or it's

1906
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:07,880
not organization it is an ro I always

1907
01:44:14,980 --> 01:44:10,730
want to call it organization document

1908
01:44:17,670 --> 01:44:14,990
from June 1966 archived and US Air Force

1909
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:17,680
historical division liaison office

1910
01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:21,290
entitled the Air Force in space fiscal

1911
01:44:31,810 --> 01:44:26,390
year 1962 that's ten years before Apollo

1912
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:31,820
17 and it identifies all caps the word

1913
01:44:38,770 --> 01:44:36,070
st. as an acronym for satellite

1914
01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:38,780
inspector and this is what this says

1915
01:44:46,420 --> 01:44:42,310
about st. quote for several years prior

1916
01:44:50,020 --> 01:44:46,430
prior for several years prior from 1962

1917
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:50,030
the Air Force had studied a proposed

1918
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:54,050
satellite inspectors st. system which

1919
01:45:01,150 --> 01:44:58,400
would examine unidentified objects in

1920
01:45:04,180 --> 01:45:01,160
space and determine their

1921
01:45:10,380 --> 01:45:04,190
characteristics capabilities or intent

1922
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:10,390
and then I show in this identify hostile

1923
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:14,510
hostile satellites and destroy them well

1924
01:45:19,870 --> 01:45:18,110
where else can you conclude that we had

1925
01:45:23,020 --> 01:45:19,880
identified that there was an alien

1926
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:23,030
presence unidentified objects in space

1927
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:25,520
and that in the 1950s we were already

1928
01:45:30,730 --> 01:45:28,010
trying to figure out how we were going

1929
01:45:33,790 --> 01:45:30,740
to get something up we're hostile

1930
01:45:35,140 --> 01:45:33,800
satellites were and destroy them you

1931
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:35,150
don't even have to read between the

1932
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:43,610
lines one more one more kicker to all

1933
01:45:51,220 --> 01:45:47,450
this this was in December 2018 after I

1934
01:45:54,910 --> 01:45:51,230
did the second round of these reports

1935
01:45:57,220 --> 01:45:54,920
and interviews with John Greenwald and

1936
01:46:01,620 --> 01:45:57,230
Winston peach and engineer from the UK

1937
01:46:05,250 --> 01:46:01,630
and others about all of this and I got

1938
01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:05,260
through an encrypted email that I use

1939
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:09,350
this from a and this person is in u.s.

1940
01:46:19,660 --> 01:46:13,690
Navy special ops quote this was to me

1941
01:46:23,050 --> 01:46:19,670
about three and a half weeks ago we are

1942
01:46:27,660 --> 01:46:23,060
indeed in conflict with various alien

1943
01:46:30,220 --> 01:46:27,670
beings some of which are cybernetic

1944
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:30,230
cybernetic means a combination of

1945
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:32,330
something that is artificial

1946
01:46:38,740 --> 01:46:36,410
intelligence and organic we continue to

1947
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:38,750
lose many good men to this quiet

1948
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:42,410
conflict different types of alien craft

1949
01:46:47,650 --> 01:46:44,660
have been located on earth the moon and

1950
01:46:53,620 --> 01:46:47,660
on Mars some alien craft

1951
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:53,630
we still can't penetrate or board close

1952
01:47:00,130 --> 01:46:57,250
quote and I know this person from

1953
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,140
two-and-a-half years ago I know that

1954
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:03,040
they are solid and that they decided to

1955
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:06,110
ascend this encrypted message to me upon

1956
01:47:13,420 --> 01:47:10,400
hearing the reports that I have been

1957
01:47:17,170 --> 01:47:13,430
trying to do to get to the bottom of the

1958
01:47:23,470 --> 01:47:17,180
big part on the Labine thing the big

1959
01:47:28,450 --> 01:47:23,480
part is did we do an entire secret space

1960
01:47:33,010 --> 01:47:28,460
program fronted by NASA how many secret

1961
01:47:36,220 --> 01:47:33,020
programs were going on how and I have a

1962
01:47:40,690 --> 01:47:36,230
photograph that I found through a lot of

1963
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:40,700
work of there was supposed to be a total

1964
01:47:48,580 --> 01:47:45,920
of 17 secret astronauts with the manned

1965
01:47:51,630 --> 01:47:48,590
orbital laboratory program that was a

1966
01:47:55,420 --> 01:47:51,640
huge secret at the very beginning of the

1967
01:47:58,690 --> 01:47:55,430
1960s and the idea and I have a big

1968
01:48:00,640 --> 01:47:58,700
illustration that NASA had done of how

1969
01:48:02,979 --> 01:48:00,650
they would put this manned orbiting

1970
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:02,989
laboratory up in a very specific

1971
01:48:11,490 --> 01:48:07,310
altitude and that the secret astronauts

1972
01:48:15,700 --> 01:48:11,500
would be their job would be to be out

1973
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:15,710
monitoring the earth and others have

1974
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:19,630
said that they wanted to monitor space

1975
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:22,760
there because of unidentified flying

1976
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:26,960
objects and that the this manned

1977
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:29,450
orbiting laboratory that has a photo and

1978
01:48:38,830 --> 01:48:30,890
I have it at earth files

1979
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:38,840
it says photos of 14 of the 17 lat with

1980
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:41,690
the manned orbital laboratory where are

1981
01:48:46,570 --> 01:48:43,730
the other three right who were they

1982
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,580
right well inside the original evidence

1983
01:48:51,610 --> 01:48:49,040
of the space for the secret space

1984
01:48:55,410 --> 01:48:51,620
program you know well in that it's been

1985
01:48:58,720 --> 01:48:55,420
going on MKULTRA began in 1953

1986
01:49:02,140 --> 01:48:58,730
officially putting Sidney Gottlieb in as

1987
01:49:05,470 --> 01:49:02,150
the director and that you had a parallel

1988
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:05,480
track of our government learning how to

1989
01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:09,170
control secret programs by controlled

1990
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:12,320
amnesia controlled laying down of new

1991
01:49:19,570 --> 01:49:17,090
memories think about us Wald and Ruby

1992
01:49:21,970 --> 01:49:19,580
and the idea that sounds could trigger

1993
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:21,980
something that was pre-programmed in the

1994
01:49:29,890 --> 01:49:24,110
mind all of that and that was

1995
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:29,900
paralleling the evolution of NASA NASA

1996
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:32,090
was working in collaboration with the

1997
01:49:37,540 --> 01:49:35,150
CIA well and I want to jump back really

1998
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:37,550
quick before we get to this next break

1999
01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:41,090
Linda because back in October when John

2000
01:49:45,860 --> 01:49:43,400
reached out to you and reached out to me

2001
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:45,870
I was sent

2002
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:48,560
that picture of the alien face and

2003
01:49:53,630 --> 01:49:51,480
Google is my friend right and I go and I

2004
01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:53,640
right-click and I do a google search and

2005
01:50:01,300 --> 01:49:57,810
it pops up you know a video game from

2006
01:50:05,060 --> 01:50:01,310
the mid-2000s and and I got a high-res

2007
01:50:07,700 --> 01:50:05,070
version of the video game cover which I

2008
01:50:09,500 --> 01:50:07,710
blew up on one of my giant monitors and

2009
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:09,510
I'm looking at it and I go and look at

2010
01:50:15,230 --> 01:50:13,050
the image that was sent to me and the

2011
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:15,240
wind was out of my sails and I was like

2012
01:50:19,610 --> 01:50:16,530
you've got to be kidding me

2013
01:50:23,420 --> 01:50:19,620
and so I backed off and then I went to

2014
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:23,430
respond to John and he deleted his

2015
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:26,880
account on on stellar and so I just

2016
01:50:32,900 --> 01:50:29,040
backed off the whole story

2017
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:32,910
when can may I just pick up here for a

2018
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:34,890
second on that well I thought I was your

2019
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:37,710
response yeah once a response yeah yeah

2020
01:50:48,020 --> 01:50:41,040
because I've been through this issue of

2021
01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:48,030
X boxes and television and various

2022
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:50,580
things being the explanation for several

2023
01:50:59,020 --> 01:50:53,840
things that would include remember when

2024
01:51:03,680 --> 01:50:59,030
the dragon fly drones showed up around

2025
01:51:06,410 --> 01:51:03,690
2007 2008 and I was getting photographs

2026
01:51:08,900 --> 01:51:06,420
and that was then when the whistleblower

2027
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:08,910
did the release of that incredible

2028
01:51:15,740 --> 01:51:11,850
document about neutralizing gravity

2029
01:51:18,260 --> 01:51:15,750
projection of Holograms extraterrestrial

2030
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,270
technology the patterns that matched a

2031
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:19,920
lot of things that it showed up in crop

2032
01:51:28,270 --> 01:51:23,070
formations a whole different way of

2033
01:51:31,580 --> 01:51:28,280
looking at AI through creation of

2034
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:31,590
materials that would be like Holograms

2035
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,040
you could have an entire ship and this

2036
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:36,960
is what is so important to remember

2037
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,330
that's what was this entire document

2038
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:41,760
that was released with the Dragonfly

2039
01:51:49,460 --> 01:51:45,690
drone photos and the language is that

2040
01:51:55,090 --> 01:51:49,470
the the craft the UFO crap themselves

2041
01:51:59,810 --> 01:51:55,100
are like Holograms that every piece has

2042
01:52:02,000 --> 01:51:59,820
the whole knowledge and that

2043
01:52:03,650 --> 01:52:02,010
that it was staggering and that they

2044
01:52:05,660 --> 01:52:03,660
were working on this the guy who

2045
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:05,670
releases that he had been working with a

2046
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:08,070
whole group of scientists under the

2047
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:11,520
security of military put there by the

2048
01:52:17,060 --> 01:52:14,400
Department of Defense and the scientists

2049
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:17,070
were trying to back engineer what they

2050
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:19,530
had collected somehow from these

2051
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:23,400
dragonfly drones as soon as I started

2052
01:52:30,590 --> 01:52:25,920
reporting and I was talking with people

2053
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:30,600
who were a wife of a husband who taking

2054
01:52:38,420 --> 01:52:35,040
kids into Yosemite and they see this

2055
01:52:40,430 --> 01:52:38,430
dragonfly drone and the wife can sketch

2056
01:52:41,660 --> 01:52:40,440
it the child can sketch it and you know

2057
01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:41,670
that you're dealing with honest people

2058
01:52:49,930 --> 01:52:44,070
and they're seeing these things right

2059
01:52:54,170 --> 01:52:49,940
well there were all of a sudden came

2060
01:52:58,160 --> 01:52:54,180
stuff on the web saying that all the

2061
01:53:00,200 --> 01:52:58,170
dragonflies were from some xbox game so

2062
01:53:03,500 --> 01:53:00,210
I went through all of that don't believe

2063
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:03,510
it for a minute but what I think is at

2064
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:06,150
work is it it all at any particular

2065
01:53:14,060 --> 01:53:10,610
point if the if counterintelligence

2066
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:14,070
that's been operating so well since

2067
01:53:18,620 --> 01:53:16,260
World War two and helped us survive

2068
01:53:22,850 --> 01:53:18,630
World War two they are brilliant minds

2069
01:53:28,340 --> 01:53:22,860
and they know they can take a real photo

2070
01:53:32,270 --> 01:53:28,350
a real alien a real UFO a real dragon

2071
01:53:36,460 --> 01:53:32,280
fly drones and all they have to do is

2072
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:36,470
put it out in a Hollywood feature an

2073
01:53:46,340 --> 01:53:42,060
xbox anything they've killed its

2074
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:46,350
credibility instantly even if the

2075
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:51,570
original was a real photo and that's the

2076
01:53:58,940 --> 01:53:54,890
problem we are in like a Hall of Mirrors

2077
01:54:02,780 --> 01:53:58,950
none of us knows the chain of custody

2078
01:54:06,890 --> 01:54:02,790
what is the chain of custody what was

2079
01:54:11,330 --> 01:54:06,900
the original inception behind any of

2080
01:54:13,180 --> 01:54:11,340
these xbox theater now when I talked

2081
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:13,190
with Winston Keach

2082
01:54:20,500 --> 01:54:16,639
the UK he's an engineer is a computer

2083
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:20,510
analyst he's a brilliant guy he saw the

2084
01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:25,489
French the SPE th the creation of Apollo

2085
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:31,340
20 and when said in Europe it has long

2086
01:54:38,459 --> 01:54:33,920
been suspected and speth has never

2087
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:38,469
denied that the entire Apollo 20

2088
01:54:46,750 --> 01:54:42,170
theatrical creation was done to muddy

2089
01:54:49,419 --> 01:54:46,760
the truth that there was a secret Apollo

2090
01:54:51,129 --> 01:54:49,429
mission to the back side of moon now you

2091
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:51,139
start putting all this stuff together

2092
01:54:56,890 --> 01:54:54,650
and untangling what is fiction and what

2093
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:56,900
is fact becomes more and more difficult

2094
01:55:00,250 --> 01:54:58,159
which is exactly what

2095
01:55:02,649 --> 01:55:00,260
counterintelligence wants to accomplish

2096
01:55:04,419 --> 01:55:02,659
people throw up their hands they walk

2097
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:04,429
away from everything and they bought

2098
01:55:11,260 --> 01:55:08,570
themselves another 20 years of denial so

2099
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:11,270
I'm looking at all of this through the

2100
01:55:17,169 --> 01:55:14,270
lens of having been through these kinds

2101
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:17,179
of things before and it's not that

2102
01:55:26,290 --> 01:55:21,650
Levine is a truth teller it is that

2103
01:55:30,399 --> 01:55:26,300
Levine has opened up now so many avenues

2104
01:55:33,879 --> 01:55:30,409
that are leading to real documents to

2105
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:33,889
real people with real knowledge I was

2106
01:55:39,790 --> 01:55:36,290
talking with dr. Bob wood today about

2107
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:39,800
all of this and Bob is an extremely

2108
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:43,520
respected electrical engineer and

2109
01:55:48,129 --> 01:55:45,110
physicist who worked at McDonnell

2110
01:55:51,970 --> 01:55:48,139
Douglas for I think was 30 years or no

2111
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:51,980
years no question oh and he's just I

2112
01:55:59,379 --> 01:55:54,770
have always respected and admired Bob

2113
01:56:01,479 --> 01:55:59,389
woods so much and I had him read that

2114
01:56:07,180 --> 01:56:01,489
part three about the National

2115
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:07,190
Reconnaissance organization and the this

2116
01:56:11,229 --> 01:56:09,290
whole what I started talking to you

2117
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:11,239
about is that document that is referring

2118
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:14,000
to st. he'd never heard of st. before he

2119
01:56:20,260 --> 01:56:16,730
read it sent me back an email and he

2120
01:56:24,430 --> 01:56:20,270
said to me he said Linda I wouldn't be

2121
01:56:26,590 --> 01:56:24,440
surprised if we did a secret landing on

2122
01:56:34,650 --> 01:56:26,600
the backside of the moon

2123
01:56:38,500 --> 01:56:34,660
before 1976 so people who have had real

2124
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:38,510
honest-to-god aerospace physics

2125
01:56:44,050 --> 01:56:42,050
backgrounds they have been exposed to

2126
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:44,060
things that we and the public never

2127
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:48,050
happened and that whatever is the truth

2128
01:56:52,660 --> 01:56:49,730
which is what I'm going to keep trying

2129
01:56:54,340 --> 01:56:52,670
to dig for I've got several people

2130
01:56:57,790 --> 01:56:54,350
helping me now in a lot of different

2131
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:57,800
fronts I think this is a good thing that

2132
01:57:05,260 --> 01:57:01,520
this is emerged so that we can all keep

2133
01:57:08,050 --> 01:57:05,270
digging into what is the real truth and

2134
01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:08,060
wouldn't this be the ultimate irony

2135
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:10,190
Jimmy you and I were talking about this

2136
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:15,530
before air that we are now starting 2019

2137
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:19,370
off with this seemingly subdued very

2138
01:57:25,810 --> 01:57:22,250
subdued news from China that their

2139
01:57:28,540 --> 01:57:25,820
Changi landed on the backside of the

2140
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:28,550
moon and that it will be heralded

2141
01:57:36,820 --> 01:57:31,760
throughout human history as the first

2142
01:57:40,990 --> 01:57:36,830
time humans put a machine on the

2143
01:57:44,890 --> 01:57:41,000
backside of the moon how ironic almost

2144
01:57:49,900 --> 01:57:44,900
sad if the truth is that the United

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quick short break J Allen Hynek it's all

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being talked about tonight Linda thank

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you so much stay right there we'll be

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welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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Amy church tonight our guests Linda

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Moulton Howe helping us kick off 2019 of

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program of John Burroughs here on KCRA

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called phenomenon radio and of course

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at JDO now Linda continuing the

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conversation Project Blue Book History

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Channel have you seen it yet no I have

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hello yes you said it sounded like a I

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don't know it's like horn blast did you

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hear it

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you RI but one of us I have not seen the

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TV version but I sure have talked with a

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lot of people about the three Project

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Blue Books that our government has had

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you want to go into that well I do and

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let's reserve that for just a second

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because I need your personal insight on

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a couple of things I'm going to just say

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this about because tonight episode 2

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02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:44,530
aired I haven't seen it yet but the

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first episode from last week everything

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centers around J Allen Hynek okay so

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that's it his personal experiences and

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they do a disclaimer at the beginning in

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the end of each episode which is based

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on facts this is based on the reports

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from Project Blue Book so you are

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assuming that and and his family by the

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way has authorized this this series so

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the implications are that this is all

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real stuff we just haven't heard about

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it yet now let me back up briefly just

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say this one of the things that happened

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in last week's episode is Hynek goes out

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in 1948 to the scene of the gorman the

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famous Korman UFO dogfight it's called

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the

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fuller dog fight but anyway so to test

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the pilots story

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02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:45,600
Hynek gets in a plane a fighter a pro

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fighter whatever was a thunderbolt or

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02:05:55,100 --> 02:05:50,489
something goes up chases a weather

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02:05:57,709 --> 02:05:55,110
balloon crashes the plane and walks away

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02:06:00,890 --> 02:05:57,719
Hynek right and at the scene of the

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02:06:03,379 --> 02:06:00,900
crash he looks over in the distance and

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02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:03,389
there's a men in black the whole thing

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the Fedora you know and he's observing

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02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:09,869
the crash scene of Hynek now you know

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02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:12,000
dr. Hynek you knew him

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02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:16,170
did you ever in your life here about

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02:06:23,780 --> 02:06:20,639
Hynek surviving a plane crash as he was

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researching a UFO incident right and

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02:06:30,020 --> 02:06:28,080
that's where this series is going no not

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not in the slightest and you're talking

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about the Mantell case no not the

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well I don't here let me jump to what I

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know firsthand about Allen I had done a

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strange harvest it was broadcast and it

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02:07:00,350 --> 02:06:56,340
was only a couple of months after the

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May 25th 1980 broadcast of a strange

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harvest about the animal mutilation

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02:07:08,330 --> 02:07:04,980
investigation that I got a call from J

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Allen Hynek he called me at channel 7 in

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02:07:15,859 --> 02:07:12,000
Denver and said that he wanted very much

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to see my documentary that he had heard

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a lot about it and he wanted to know if

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I could meet with him and half a dozen

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02:07:26,450 --> 02:07:24,239
other investigators at a meeting that

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they were going to hold down in Alamosa

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02:07:33,979 --> 02:07:31,020
in southern Colorado and I had heard

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02:07:39,169 --> 02:07:33,989
about him wanted to meet and talk with

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02:07:41,959 --> 02:07:39,179
him and we all got together and they had

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the meeting part of the gathering in

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like a school and so we were sitting at

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02:07:51,290 --> 02:07:48,690
these member where you could sit

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in college or something in our high

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school and there would be to the right

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02:07:58,670 --> 02:07:56,940
like a square it would fold up and down

2352
02:08:00,830 --> 02:07:58,680
and when you get in and you could write

2353
02:08:01,189 --> 02:08:00,840
on it and that's the kind of room we

2354
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:01,199
were in

2355
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and we were screaming a strange harvest

2356
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:12,060
and then the lights came up and he

2357
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lifted up his desk part that he was

2358
02:08:20,479 --> 02:08:18,540
sitting in about to over from me and

2359
02:08:22,220 --> 02:08:20,489
they were probably about 12 of us who

2360
02:08:28,010 --> 02:08:22,230
had gathered for this meeting with J

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02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:28,020
Allen Hynek and he just he was totally

2362
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silent and he's now walking toward me

2363
02:08:37,820 --> 02:08:35,730
and he came and he took his index finger

2364
02:08:42,620 --> 02:08:37,830
in his right hand and he started

2365
02:08:45,890 --> 02:08:42,630
pounding it on that wooden square of my

2366
02:08:48,970 --> 02:08:45,900
debt my little desk chair and he's

2367
02:08:53,900 --> 02:08:48,980
looking at me through his glasses and

2368
02:09:01,900 --> 02:08:53,910
I'm sitting he's standing with his index

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02:09:05,150 --> 02:09:01,910
finger he said do you really think that

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extraterrestrial biological entities are

2371
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responsible for these animal mutilations

2372
02:09:17,870 --> 02:09:13,230
and I'm I'm not exaggerating that was

2373
02:09:20,180 --> 02:09:17,880
the tone the emphasis and the pounding

2374
02:09:23,930 --> 02:09:20,190
of the finger and it was like he was

2375
02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:23,940
angry after watching a strange harvest

2376
02:09:34,780 --> 02:09:30,210
and anybody who has known me ever I just

2377
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:34,790
I just have to tell it like it is so

2378
02:09:42,110 --> 02:09:38,330
even though I know that he's upset I

2379
02:09:46,939 --> 02:09:42,120
remember looking at him and saying dr.

2380
02:09:48,979 --> 02:09:46,949
Hynek yes law-enforcement sheriff's and

2381
02:09:51,709 --> 02:09:48,989
deputies are the ones who writes in the

2382
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:51,719
beginning told me that the perpetrators

2383
02:09:58,490 --> 02:09:54,930
were creatures from outer space and he

2384
02:10:01,160 --> 02:09:58,500
was staring at me and then he turned

2385
02:10:02,180 --> 02:10:01,170
around and he walked back and had to

2386
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:02,190
lift up

2387
02:10:07,400 --> 02:10:05,520
the high-school desk chair and sit back

2388
02:10:11,330 --> 02:10:07,410
down and we continue with the meeting

2389
02:10:15,290 --> 02:10:11,340
and that is how I remember the first day

2390
02:10:16,220 --> 02:10:15,300
of being the J Allen Hynek that through

2391
02:10:18,650 --> 02:10:16,230
that weekend

2392
02:10:21,979 --> 02:10:18,660
Leo sprinkle who was the director of

2393
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:21,989
counseling and testing at the Wyoming he

2394
02:10:27,290 --> 02:10:23,730
and I had worked together on the

2395
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:27,300
hypnosis session in my documentary with

2396
02:10:33,020 --> 02:10:30,210
Judy Daugherty who she and her daughter

2397
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:33,030
had watched calf rise in a yellow beam

2398
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:36,239
of light outside of Houston all of that

2399
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:39,360
was in the film and we all ended up Leah

2400
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:42,960
sprinkled dr. Hynek myself and a bunch

2401
02:10:50,450 --> 02:10:45,690
of other guys that were there we then

2402
02:10:53,900 --> 02:10:50,460
all began to talk honestly and a real

2403
02:10:58,610 --> 02:10:53,910
friendship was formed between dr. Hynek

2404
02:11:03,560 --> 02:10:58,620
and me even though it was so clear jimmy

2405
02:11:07,370 --> 02:11:03,570
that he was so profoundly upset at some

2406
02:11:09,950 --> 02:11:07,380
core level because whatever he had been

2407
02:11:12,140 --> 02:11:09,960
exposed to in his so-called

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02:11:15,890 --> 02:11:12,150
collaboration with the United States Air

2409
02:11:20,270 --> 02:11:15,900
Force through Project Blue Book on on

2410
02:11:24,020 --> 02:11:20,280
all of the lists that Project Blue Book

2411
02:11:27,380 --> 02:11:24,030
was giving to the public by then when we

2412
02:11:33,610 --> 02:11:27,390
met in what would have been two months

2413
02:11:38,479 --> 02:11:33,620
after May of 1980 he already knew at

2414
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:38,489
some level that he had been conned and

2415
02:11:44,689 --> 02:11:42,090
he had been used as an astronomer and

2416
02:11:52,070 --> 02:11:44,699
now I'm going to explain that why I say

2417
02:11:54,590 --> 02:11:52,080
that what happened okay so 1980 I saw

2418
02:11:59,870 --> 02:11:54,600
and talked with J Allen Hynek in various

2419
02:12:02,030 --> 02:11:59,880
places each year 81 82 83 84 85 we ended

2420
02:12:04,430 --> 02:12:02,040
up we were speakers at the University of

2421
02:12:07,010 --> 02:12:04,440
Nebraska all of us we are becoming now

2422
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:07,020
really close friends and he would call

2423
02:12:14,580 --> 02:12:10,890
me on a variety of things and in August

2424
02:12:17,890 --> 02:12:14,590
of 1985

2425
02:12:20,710 --> 02:12:17,900
he called with Richard Sigismund his

2426
02:12:24,460 --> 02:12:20,720
good friend from Boulder and he said

2427
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:24,470
Linda could you join us for dinner I

2428
02:12:30,220 --> 02:12:26,930
have just flown I'm going to be flying

2429
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:30,230
in to Denver and I want to see Richard

2430
02:12:37,330 --> 02:12:32,960
and I would like to see you and he said

2431
02:12:40,780 --> 02:12:37,340
I'm coming from a very puzzling me

2432
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:40,790
meeting and travel to Norton Air Force

2433
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:42,650
Base in California I want to talk with

2434
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:47,030
you about it and I remember distinctly

2435
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:51,650
that the night was August 5th 1985 how

2436
02:12:57,550 --> 02:12:55,040
the mind can hold on to these important

2437
02:13:00,520 --> 02:12:57,560
dates I don't know but I remember that

2438
02:13:03,460 --> 02:13:00,530
was the date and it was I believe on a

2439
02:13:09,220 --> 02:13:03,470
Sunday because the next day I was

2440
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:09,230
leaving for addis ababa in ethiopia to

2441
02:13:14,500 --> 02:13:11,840
produce a film for unicef called new

2442
02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:14,510
hope and child survival and that was

2443
02:13:19,450 --> 02:13:17,810
part in my mind and i remember that date

2444
02:13:24,430 --> 02:13:19,460
because i was going to be going to

2445
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:24,440
africa the next day so we gather it's

2446
02:13:32,770 --> 02:13:27,650
just the three of us we're having dinner

2447
02:13:37,090 --> 02:13:32,780
and what Alan told us was that he had

2448
02:13:40,330 --> 02:13:37,100
gotten a call that permission had been

2449
02:13:44,250 --> 02:13:40,340
given by somebody in the Pentagon for

2450
02:13:47,470 --> 02:13:44,260
him finally to see the real UFO

2451
02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:47,480
extraterrestrial craft and assorted

2452
02:13:59,920 --> 02:13:51,730
bodies at Norton Air Force Base whoa and

2453
02:14:04,240 --> 02:13:59,930
he was flown there and then he's met by

2454
02:14:10,710 --> 02:14:04,250
somebody who tells him I'm sorry sir

2455
02:14:16,150 --> 02:14:10,720
the permission has been rescinded and he

2456
02:14:17,610 --> 02:14:16,160
said to both of us almost agonized why

2457
02:14:21,250 --> 02:14:17,620
would they do that

2458
02:14:24,970 --> 02:14:21,260
why would they tell me that I'm going to

2459
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:24,980
finally be shown the craft and the

2460
02:14:29,580 --> 02:14:26,330
bodies

2461
02:14:34,660 --> 02:14:29,590
and I get all the way there and then

2462
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:34,670
they pull back to permission and so that

2463
02:14:40,710 --> 02:14:38,000
set the tone to the rest of the

2464
02:14:44,650 --> 02:14:40,720
discussion and there came this moment

2465
02:14:47,230 --> 02:14:44,660
I'm sitting in between J Allen Hynek is

2466
02:14:52,630 --> 02:14:47,240
on my right richard Sigismund is on my

2467
02:14:57,870 --> 02:14:52,640
left allen reached out with both of his

2468
02:15:03,040 --> 02:14:57,880
hands to my right arm he grasped my arm

2469
02:15:05,770 --> 02:15:03,050
firmly almost if you can imagine that

2470
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:05,780
your horizontal with somebody at a table

2471
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:07,850
but it feels like that they are clinging

2472
02:15:15,400 --> 02:15:11,810
on and hanging from your arm sure it had

2473
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:15,410
that kind of energy in it and I'm

2474
02:15:22,630 --> 02:15:18,050
looking right into his eyes and they

2475
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:22,640
begin to fill up with tears and hanging

2476
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:25,760
on to my right arm he said with his

2477
02:15:38,250 --> 02:15:31,970
voice breaking Linda do you think I will

2478
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:38,260
ever be vindicated in my life and all of

2479
02:15:48,430 --> 02:15:44,450
the whole everything his whole life my

2480
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:48,440
life might might Trey all of us who have

2481
02:15:59,020 --> 02:15:53,810
been trying to get to the truth and what

2482
02:16:01,660 --> 02:15:59,030
in that question he meant yes he's

2483
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:01,670
gotten so close to the Holy Grail and

2484
02:16:09,970 --> 02:16:06,730
it's been denied and that he's asking

2485
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:09,980
because he doesn't want to go out of

2486
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:13,930
this life without knowing and seeing and

2487
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:18,560
as he said that and the tears coming up

2488
02:16:27,100 --> 02:16:21,650
he said that the next sentence I

2489
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:27,110
remember so clearly I know that I was

2490
02:16:38,799 --> 02:16:34,610
used I feel terrible of what I once did

2491
02:16:40,090 --> 02:16:38,809
meaning he was the he was the cover

2492
02:16:43,690 --> 02:16:40,100
he was the cyan't

2493
02:16:46,060 --> 02:16:43,700
he was the it swamp gas it's this it's

2494
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:46,070
that right for a long time he was doing

2495
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:47,810
a lot of covering for the Air Force

2496
02:16:52,210 --> 02:16:48,410
that's right

2497
02:16:55,570 --> 02:16:52,220
until until he couldn't take it anymore

2498
02:16:59,080 --> 02:16:55,580
because he knew that's what he basically

2499
02:17:03,510 --> 02:16:59,090
said to us that night I knew I knew I

2500
02:17:07,870 --> 02:17:03,520
was covering I knew I was being used and

2501
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:07,880
in that moment with those tears was this

2502
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:11,840
life that neither Richard Sigismund nor

2503
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:16,810
I knew at that moment in August of 1985

2504
02:17:23,470 --> 02:17:21,410
that he would be dead by April of 1986

2505
02:17:27,630 --> 02:17:23,480
that's right months later that's right

2506
02:17:31,630 --> 02:17:27,640
and I went to Africa and I didn't know

2507
02:17:35,980 --> 02:17:31,640
anything I didn't get back for a month

2508
02:17:37,900 --> 02:17:35,990
and and then I was in New York and so I

2509
02:17:39,820 --> 02:17:37,910
went from Africa to New York and was

2510
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:39,830
creating this film and it was somewhere

2511
02:17:44,380 --> 02:17:41,570
when I was in New York that I got a call

2512
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:44,390
from Richard citizen who said I'm very

2513
02:17:50,890 --> 02:17:47,270
bad news Allen was diagnosed with

2514
02:17:55,330 --> 02:17:50,900
prostate cancer but it has spread to his

2515
02:17:58,560 --> 02:17:55,340
brain and there isn't much time and all

2516
02:18:02,680 --> 02:17:58,570
of that it and then he was gone in April

2517
02:18:06,791 --> 02:18:02,690
and that dinner that last dinner with

2518
02:18:11,170 --> 02:18:06,801
him in my mind it is sort of a metaphor

2519
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:11,180
for the last from World War two on all

2520
02:18:23,010 --> 02:18:19,010
of us that will we know the truth in our

2521
02:18:25,810 --> 02:18:23,020
life the truth that we all know is there

2522
02:18:28,690 --> 02:18:25,820
you know what the ironic thing you know

2523
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:28,700
the definition of irony right is is

2524
02:18:34,060 --> 02:18:31,760
playing out once again with with a J

2525
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,070
Allen Hynek because in this new series

2526
02:18:41,530 --> 02:18:37,120
here he is again from beyond the grave

2527
02:18:43,810 --> 02:18:41,540
Linda being used once again because in

2528
02:18:47,291 --> 02:18:43,820
this new series he's running around with

2529
02:18:49,610 --> 02:18:47,301
Grey's you know and and you know flying

2530
02:18:54,500 --> 02:18:49,620
things that happen right

2531
02:18:56,599 --> 02:18:54,510
right right it's it it's sad and I knew

2532
02:18:59,450 --> 02:18:56,609
that and this is the this is what I love

2533
02:19:02,290 --> 02:18:59,460
about the UFO community whether it's

2534
02:19:04,310 --> 02:19:02,300
skeptics or dub bunkers or or

2535
02:19:05,540 --> 02:19:04,320
experiencers it doesn't matter there's a

2536
02:19:08,690 --> 02:19:05,550
lot of smart people in this community

2537
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:08,700
and if you're History Channel and you

2538
02:19:13,759 --> 02:19:11,010
are going look I've worked a lot with

2539
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:13,769
History Channel and and I don't want to

2540
02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:17,219
be really Ober negative here but that

2541
02:19:22,129 --> 02:19:19,889
being said if you are going to have a

2542
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:22,139
series like this where you're going to

2543
02:19:27,469 --> 02:19:25,200
take creative license we're talking

2544
02:19:31,070 --> 02:19:27,479
about J Allen Hynek your very important

2545
02:19:34,310 --> 02:19:31,080
figure in history and to distort his

2546
02:19:37,639 --> 02:19:34,320
real life like this I don't I don't find

2547
02:19:39,860 --> 02:19:37,649
it cool and this community is gonna blow

2548
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:39,870
holes in this they are gonna take this

2549
02:19:46,219 --> 02:19:43,260
series apart and that's Jimmy I just

2550
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:46,229
told you the heart and the soul of J

2551
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:49,170
Allen Hynek right in August before he

2552
02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:52,170
died in April and I was there with his

2553
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:55,770
hands clasping my right arm asking well

2554
02:20:01,969 --> 02:19:59,040
I be vindicated meaning will the truth

2555
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:01,979
come out in my life and I understood

2556
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:05,280
that and under it is and there's one

2557
02:20:12,020 --> 02:20:07,050
more thing that you and your audience

2558
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:12,030
should know that was such a surprise as

2559
02:20:19,820 --> 02:20:15,210
I came to know and like and respect him

2560
02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:19,830
very much when we were asked to be

2561
02:20:24,500 --> 02:20:21,810
speakers it was the University of

2562
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:24,510
Nebraska if I'm recalling and it was

2563
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:29,040
somewhere like around maybe 82 83 and

2564
02:20:33,290 --> 02:20:31,290
there were three of us who were speaking

2565
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:33,300
at the University I was speaking on

2566
02:20:40,580 --> 02:20:36,570
animal mutilations Allen was speaking

2567
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:40,590
about the whole project Bluebook UFO

2568
02:20:47,179 --> 02:20:44,010
stuff and the third was a professor who

2569
02:20:49,790 --> 02:20:47,189
was on me in the Congo he had been in

2570
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:49,800
the Congo looking for the possibility of

2571
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:53,250
a true residual dinosaur that the

2572
02:21:00,110 --> 02:20:56,880
pygmies drew and talked about and so and

2573
02:21:01,910 --> 02:21:00,120
it was called McKee Leben Bay was what

2574
02:21:04,310 --> 02:21:01,920
the pygmies called it

2575
02:21:08,179 --> 02:21:04,320
and so that was the those are the three

2576
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:08,189
of us speaking and fascinating and Alan

2577
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:12,090
and that scientists and myself we had

2578
02:21:17,450 --> 02:21:15,120
dinner together that night and the

2579
02:21:20,929 --> 02:21:17,460
discussions were just fascinating and

2580
02:21:24,679 --> 02:21:20,939
incredible and he said yeah he said

2581
02:21:27,350 --> 02:21:24,689
winda after we speak tonight he said

2582
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:27,360
let's go and let our hair down

2583
02:21:32,780 --> 02:21:29,520
remember this is 82 I just told you

2584
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:32,790
about the 85 dinner so this is about

2585
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:36,870
three years before so he's like 71 72 73

2586
02:21:43,340 --> 02:21:39,120
years old and he wants to go let his

2587
02:21:46,190 --> 02:21:43,350
hair down I'm dead let's let our hair

2588
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:46,200
down and I'm thinking I'm now going to

2589
02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:48,450
hear everything about extraterrestrials

2590
02:21:55,370 --> 02:21:51,960
and UFOs at all right so we went off

2591
02:22:00,410 --> 02:21:55,380
into some side room someplace and it was

2592
02:22:03,469 --> 02:22:00,420
quiet and the first things he said the

2593
02:22:06,590 --> 02:22:03,479
most important book that I have ever

2594
02:22:08,780 --> 02:22:06,600
read in my life I would like to

2595
02:22:11,090 --> 02:22:08,790
recommend that you get because I believe

2596
02:22:14,030 --> 02:22:11,100
that it is related to everything that we

2597
02:22:15,460 --> 02:22:14,040
are all trying to understand and this is

2598
02:22:21,620 --> 02:22:15,470
what he said

2599
02:22:24,260 --> 02:22:21,630
it is Rudolf Steiners theosophy I had

2600
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:24,270
never heard of Rudolf Steiner or

2601
02:22:30,110 --> 02:22:28,170
theosophy as he is looking at me with

2602
02:22:32,540 --> 02:22:30,120
this kind of excitement intellectual

2603
02:22:35,390 --> 02:22:32,550
excitement about this very important

2604
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:35,400
book that I must get and when I told him

2605
02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:38,250
I'm sorry I'm not familiar and he said

2606
02:22:43,700 --> 02:22:40,680
that's why I'm telling you you must get

2607
02:22:46,010 --> 02:22:43,710
this book you must read it it is at the

2608
02:22:48,770 --> 02:22:46,020
core of everything we are dealing with

2609
02:22:49,550 --> 02:22:48,780
all right now I'm gonna jump cut when I

2610
02:22:52,340 --> 02:22:49,560
got home

2611
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:52,350
first thing I did was go get this book

2612
02:22:59,570 --> 02:22:56,430
right and I satisfied everything else

2613
02:23:02,350 --> 02:22:59,580
and I just sat and read theosophy by

2614
02:23:07,880 --> 02:23:02,360
Rudolf Steiner until I finished it and

2615
02:23:12,050 --> 02:23:07,890
it is a book about the importance of the

2616
02:23:15,140 --> 02:23:12,060
soul and that the soul is the most

2617
02:23:19,310 --> 02:23:15,150
important part of matter

2618
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:19,320
existence and that when you close the

2619
02:23:31,970 --> 02:23:27,570
book it is as if you are encountering an

2620
02:23:35,420 --> 02:23:31,980
entirely new language an entirely new

2621
02:23:39,230 --> 02:23:35,430
way to relate to your own body your own

2622
02:23:42,591 --> 02:23:39,240
mind your own spirit in your own soul

2623
02:23:46,460 --> 02:23:42,601
that to me is the value of reading

2624
02:23:49,540 --> 02:23:46,470
theosophy so what would this ever have

2625
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:49,550
to do with extraterrestrial biological

2626
02:23:59,570 --> 02:23:57,210
entities well now in 2019 some of you

2627
02:24:02,960 --> 02:23:59,580
who go to my Wednesday night YouTube

2628
02:24:06,830 --> 02:24:02,970
channel that I do now on a weekly basis

2629
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:06,840
I have done for the first time in my

2630
02:24:12,801 --> 02:24:10,890
life more about this subject that I ever

2631
02:24:15,740 --> 02:24:12,811
thought that I would be relating to

2632
02:24:18,530 --> 02:24:15,750
other people and it has been the

2633
02:24:20,930 --> 02:24:18,540
feedback from the audience's around the

2634
02:24:26,330 --> 02:24:20,940
world I'm getting communications from

2635
02:24:31,220 --> 02:24:26,340
all over the world of people saying I've

2636
02:24:37,730 --> 02:24:31,230
never told anybody this and it has to do

2637
02:24:39,740 --> 02:24:37,740
with out-of-body have to do with what

2638
02:24:44,200 --> 02:24:39,750
happens in the passing of a loved one

2639
02:24:47,450 --> 02:24:44,210
and all of it comes back to what is the

2640
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:47,460
relationship of the animating force of

2641
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:52,530
our mind and our soul in our spirit in

2642
02:25:01,180 --> 02:24:57,210
our body and that it may be that part of

2643
02:25:03,650 --> 02:25:01,190
this big huge story is that there are

2644
02:25:09,020 --> 02:25:03,660
consciousnesses in this universe that do

2645
02:25:12,350 --> 02:25:09,030
not have souls and that we may have one

2646
02:25:16,580 --> 02:25:12,360
of the most valuable diamonds in the

2647
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:16,590
cosmos that ironically in the 21st

2648
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:19,650
century so many people in the Western

2649
02:25:25,430 --> 02:25:22,650
world only give it lip service as if it

2650
02:25:28,430 --> 02:25:25,440
were a Valentine when it is the most

2651
02:25:29,110 --> 02:25:28,440
important part of being a conscious

2652
02:25:34,131 --> 02:25:29,120
being

2653
02:25:37,041 --> 02:25:34,141
here and that is what j allen hynek's

2654
02:25:39,140 --> 02:25:37,051
most important legacy was to me and i

2655
02:25:42,140 --> 02:25:39,150
hope in sharing this tonight with you

2656
02:25:44,900 --> 02:25:42,150
and your audience that a lot of you will

2657
02:25:48,051 --> 02:25:44,910
read theosophy not with the idea of

2658
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:48,061
revelation but with the idea that maybe

2659
02:25:52,871 --> 02:25:50,730
J Allen Hynek had been exposed to what a

2660
02:25:56,980 --> 02:25:52,881
bunch of us are being exposed to now

2661
02:26:00,591 --> 02:25:56,990
that the extra-terrestrial situation is

2662
02:26:03,740 --> 02:26:00,601
one that involves other dimensions other

2663
02:26:10,451 --> 02:26:03,750
timelines as well as our matter universe

2664
02:26:13,730 --> 02:26:10,461
and that we humans we may be something

2665
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:13,740
that was a shock to the genetic

2666
02:26:21,470 --> 02:26:16,530
manipulators because we ended up with a

2667
02:26:23,961 --> 02:26:21,480
strong soul let's take a break right

2668
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:23,971
here Linda when we come back we've got

2669
02:26:32,631 --> 02:26:28,650
to talk about 2019 and disclosure I want

2670
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your thoughts on all of that and Elon

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Musk and that famous tweet is is

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Allen Hynek and and Lloyd Pye right and

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those are two guys that I didn't get a

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chance to interview and and and we'll

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never get a chance to so thank you for

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sharing that J Allen Hynek insight with

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us and the audience we'll take a break

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right here Linda Moulton Howe is our

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tonight Linda Moulton Howe

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I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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to black on the game changer Network and

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Katie RA the planets you can follow me

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on twitter @ JT radio and of course you

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can follow Linda and earthfiles on

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Twitter now Linda here we are 2019 I've

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got flowers hanging out of my pocket I

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see the rainbows in front of us and but

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02:31:55,001 --> 02:31:51,980
who would have thunk that disclosure

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02:32:03,820 --> 02:31:55,011
would have gotten a kickstart by none

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02:32:07,890 --> 02:32:03,830
other than Elon Musk and I started

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02:32:12,041 --> 02:32:07,900
laughing when it was January 5th and

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this somebody said it to me in an email

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02:32:18,491 --> 02:32:16,011
Elon Musk tweet links Apollo 11

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astronaut Neil Armstrong to alien

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02:32:27,701 --> 02:32:21,711
presence and this is what I posted in

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02:32:32,951 --> 02:32:27,711
her files and it was tweet in which Elon

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02:32:38,350 --> 02:32:32,961
Musk put out a picture of Neil Armstrong

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02:32:42,430 --> 02:32:38,360
on the left on a very scowling very

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02:32:44,770 --> 02:32:42,440
menacing looking gray on the right so

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02:32:47,381 --> 02:32:44,780
think of Neil Armstrong the holding his

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astronaut helmet and with the moon in

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02:32:51,940 --> 02:32:48,830
the background and then on the right is

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02:32:53,860 --> 02:32:51,950
this very very very mean-looking grey

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02:32:58,511 --> 02:32:53,870
and up at the top

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02:33:02,770 --> 02:32:58,521
Elon Musk the CEO of Tesla Motors and

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02:33:05,881 --> 02:33:02,780
SpaceX writes this Neil Armstrong was

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the first person to land on the moon

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02:33:17,890 --> 02:33:13,271
Neil a period backwards spells alien and

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02:33:21,491 --> 02:33:17,900
if that is true wouldn't touch that what

2795
02:33:26,741 --> 02:33:21,501
he's saying is true and then down below

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02:33:31,810 --> 02:33:26,751
the photos Elon Musk at Elon Musk he

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02:33:34,540 --> 02:33:31,820
says there are no coincidences

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02:33:37,180 --> 02:33:34,550
and he says if I mean it doesn't take

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02:33:40,270 --> 02:33:37,190
much of two plus two equals four he's

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02:33:43,450 --> 02:33:40,280
obviously been exposed to what I and

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02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:43,460
others have been told that we have known

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02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:46,160
for a very long time about an alien

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02:33:52,360 --> 02:33:50,000
presence using our moon and that is

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02:33:54,610 --> 02:33:52,370
something that probably Elon Musk has

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02:33:58,600 --> 02:33:54,620
had maybe even a briefing about because

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02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:58,610
he's a CEO of SpaceX and that's going to

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02:34:02,380 --> 02:34:00,560
be one of the companies that is going to

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02:34:06,280 --> 02:34:02,390
help if we're going to have a lunar base

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02:34:09,850 --> 02:34:06,290
now with a space force Elon Musk is

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02:34:13,360 --> 02:34:09,860
going to be involved and it's like in a

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02:34:15,910 --> 02:34:13,370
lot of different directions these kinds

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02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:15,920
of signals are coming more and more

2813
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:18,590
frequently that there are a whole bunch

2814
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:21,650
of people just waiting for that official

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02:34:25,570 --> 02:34:23,450
we're not alone in this universe we

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02:34:27,790 --> 02:34:25,580
never have been there are alien

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02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:27,800
intelligences on our planet

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02:34:33,761 --> 02:34:31,010
under the surface of our planet on the

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backside of the moon inside of the moon

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02:34:41,320 --> 02:34:37,130
Mars out through the Milky Way galaxy

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02:34:44,470 --> 02:34:41,330
and that it is not going to come maybe

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02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:44,480
as big a shock because everybody has

2823
02:34:49,620 --> 02:34:46,730
been being conditioned about this for

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02:34:52,810 --> 02:34:49,630
seventy years their first test of the

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02:34:55,930 --> 02:34:52,820
American public to the concept of an

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02:34:57,900 --> 02:34:55,940
extraterrestrial coming with a robot to

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earth with the ability to shut down

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02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:01,280
entire electric grids and that what was

2829
02:35:08,860 --> 02:35:04,870
the bottom line in the extraterrestrials

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02:35:11,890 --> 02:35:08,870
warning to the political government had

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02:35:14,380 --> 02:35:11,900
to do with you can't explode nuclear

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02:35:17,410 --> 02:35:14,390
weapons and this is what I find

2833
02:35:22,360 --> 02:35:17,420
fascinating with with Elon and that

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02:35:25,540 --> 02:35:22,370
tweet if I don't see it as comedy you're

2835
02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:25,550
not going to take a crack at Neil

2836
02:35:30,250 --> 02:35:28,370
Armstrong and and make a joke like that

2837
02:35:34,590 --> 02:35:30,260
you're just not going to do it that's

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02:35:38,110 --> 02:35:34,600
the first thing second he's got nearly

2839
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,120
24 25 million followers

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02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:40,880
now our community is one thing Linda

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02:35:45,550 --> 02:35:43,010
it's a big community you've got you

2842
02:35:48,400 --> 02:35:45,560
your your followers in your fanbase out

2843
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:48,410
there and and and this community is what

2844
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:52,850
it is but none of us in this community

2845
02:35:59,260 --> 02:35:56,330
has a twenty five million followers on

2846
02:36:02,710 --> 02:35:59,270
Twitter where you are now feeding this

2847
02:36:05,500 --> 02:36:02,720
information out to what is the message

2848
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:05,510
he is sending to them that you know

2849
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:08,090
those twenty four million followers they

2850
02:36:14,769 --> 02:36:10,880
don't know who Linda Moulton Howe is or

2851
02:36:17,380 --> 02:36:14,779
Jimmy Church or art Bell right it's a

2852
02:36:19,870 --> 02:36:17,390
message that's being sent out beyond our

2853
02:36:24,460 --> 02:36:19,880
community what's the reason for doing

2854
02:36:28,330 --> 02:36:24,470
that I think because he's an iconic West

2855
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:28,340
he's a rebel he's a lone wolf he always

2856
02:36:37,540 --> 02:36:33,680
has been and he has information and it

2857
02:36:41,710 --> 02:36:37,550
to him I can I can just the gestalt of

2858
02:36:46,690 --> 02:36:41,720
the guy is just like you I and others

2859
02:36:49,300 --> 02:36:46,700
feel this this is not to have everything

2860
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:49,310
so secret about something that is so

2861
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:53,600
important and that that his company and

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02:36:57,219 --> 02:36:55,250
other companies that are going to be

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02:36:59,920 --> 02:36:57,229
going to the moon they're gonna have to

2864
02:37:03,309 --> 02:36:59,930
be dealing with exactly what this that

2865
02:37:07,179 --> 02:37:03,319
Navy special ops said to me this is not

2866
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:07,189
a historic that what I read to you from

2867
02:37:16,269 --> 02:37:12,080
my that special ops person was that came

2868
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:16,279
after some of my postings it was about

2869
02:37:25,330 --> 02:37:21,050
the here it is this is December 2018

2870
02:37:29,469 --> 02:37:25,340
we're only at January 15th 2019 so this

2871
02:37:34,090 --> 02:37:29,479
is about three weeks ago quote this is

2872
02:37:37,740 --> 02:37:34,100
u.s. Navy special ops we are indeed in

2873
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:37,750
conflict with various alien being

2874
02:37:45,269 --> 02:37:42,560
some of which are cybernetic we continue

2875
02:37:49,179 --> 02:37:45,279
to lose many good men to this quiet

2876
02:37:52,719 --> 02:37:49,189
conflict different types of alien craft

2877
02:37:56,110 --> 02:37:52,729
have been located on earth the moon and

2878
02:37:59,770 --> 02:37:56,120
on Mars some alien craft

2879
02:38:04,510 --> 02:37:59,780
we still can't penetrate or board close

2880
02:38:07,630 --> 02:38:04,520
quote now to soften this so that

2881
02:38:09,940 --> 02:38:07,640
audience oohs I don't feel any fear I

2882
02:38:15,599 --> 02:38:09,950
don't know anybody who feels fear about

2883
02:38:18,700 --> 02:38:15,609
any of this and why the remote viewers

2884
02:38:20,650 --> 02:38:18,710
people who have worked in these agencies

2885
02:38:23,550 --> 02:38:20,660
they all say the same thing

2886
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:23,560
there are friendlies that are allies

2887
02:38:29,380 --> 02:38:27,290
there are a lot of neutrals and then

2888
02:38:33,130 --> 02:38:29,390
there are some hostiles which would be

2889
02:38:37,599 --> 02:38:33,140
what this quote is about but that the

2890
02:38:40,900 --> 02:38:37,609
allies have been holding off the

2891
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:40,910
problems with any hostiles probably

2892
02:38:47,170 --> 02:38:43,850
because those that are friendly they

2893
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:47,180
probably get metals they get genetic

2894
02:38:51,870 --> 02:38:49,520
material they get whatever it is that

2895
02:38:55,980 --> 02:38:51,880
they would be getting like we trade with

2896
02:38:58,590 --> 02:38:55,990
nations as so-called industrial

2897
02:39:01,060 --> 02:38:58,600
industrialized surface life on earth

2898
02:39:03,849 --> 02:39:01,070
that everybody has something that

2899
02:39:08,230 --> 02:39:03,859
they're getting out of all of this and

2900
02:39:10,810 --> 02:39:08,240
that as long as we have allies and there

2901
02:39:13,900 --> 02:39:10,820
are neutrals and they outweigh whatever

2902
02:39:15,490 --> 02:39:13,910
it is out there that one man told me

2903
02:39:20,099 --> 02:39:15,500
just two or three weeks ago you said

2904
02:39:25,090 --> 02:39:20,109
Linda the truth is we have skirmishes

2905
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:25,100
skirmishes with UFOs well a skirmish in

2906
02:39:34,179 --> 02:39:29,920
terms of military lingo means something

2907
02:39:39,460 --> 02:39:34,189
goes wrong it's like conflict but it's

2908
02:39:41,889 --> 02:39:39,470
not war you I do I do I do

2909
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:41,899
it's a step down a step you know it's

2910
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,210
just a skosh back right yeah the I just

2911
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:50,479
reposted eelain's original tweet and and

2912
02:40:03,360 --> 02:39:53,530
I just went to go look at it

2913
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:03,370
seven nearly 700,000 likes 683 right and

2914
02:40:07,960 --> 02:40:05,930
and for him to say there are no

2915
02:40:09,460 --> 02:40:07,970
coincidences it's not like he goes there

2916
02:40:16,229 --> 02:40:09,470
are no coincidences

2917
02:40:21,580 --> 02:40:16,239
LOL right he doesn't know I know and

2918
02:40:23,320 --> 02:40:21,590
maybe this year that the people who are

2919
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:23,330
placing bets that we're finally going to

2920
02:40:26,920 --> 02:40:25,010
get that worldwide headline that were

2921
02:40:29,229 --> 02:40:26,930
not alone in the universe right maybe

2922
02:40:32,950 --> 02:40:29,239
this is going to be the year because I

2923
02:40:37,229 --> 02:40:32,960
just turn around and ask you Jimmy can

2924
02:40:42,450 --> 02:40:37,239
you imagine us all on this planet going

2925
02:40:45,309 --> 02:40:42,460
to 2020 without this becoming public

2926
02:40:46,269 --> 02:40:45,319
breakthrough knowledge we're not alone

2927
02:40:48,610 --> 02:40:46,279
in this universe

2928
02:40:51,340 --> 02:40:48,620
and we never have can you imagine going

2929
02:40:54,610 --> 02:40:51,350
beyond this year with that still not

2930
02:40:57,309 --> 02:40:54,620
being broken open no I I really feel

2931
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:57,319
that this is this is the year that it's

2932
02:41:02,979 --> 02:41:00,080
gonna break out there there's just too

2933
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:02,989
much stuff now and it's not only coming

2934
02:41:10,599 --> 02:41:08,000
from this community but it is the

2935
02:41:16,660 --> 02:41:10,609
government it's science it's NASA it's

2936
02:41:30,880 --> 02:41:16,670
Hubble it's the trying to think of the

2937
02:41:33,870 --> 02:41:30,890
radio telescope in Argentina chime it's

2938
02:41:36,429 --> 02:41:33,880
called chime in in Argentina that one

2939
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:36,439
that's the one that has been nailing

2940
02:41:43,479 --> 02:41:40,250
down these FS B's too as well and I yeah

2941
02:41:45,550 --> 02:41:43,489
I think it's it's it's science it's this

2942
02:41:49,150 --> 02:41:45,560
community and the military industrial

2943
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:49,160
complex it's all gonna come to a head

2944
02:41:53,469 --> 02:41:51,200
and I'm very excited about this now I

2945
02:41:56,260 --> 02:41:53,479
wanted to ask you really quick at

2946
02:41:59,800 --> 02:41:56,270
conscious life Expo what are you going

2947
02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:59,810
to be speaking on this year one of the

2948
02:42:06,190 --> 02:42:02,000
most important things that I have been

2949
02:42:09,479 --> 02:42:06,200
doing is whistleblowers who have

2950
02:42:12,639 --> 02:42:09,489
knowledge about ancient archaeology in

2951
02:42:16,179 --> 02:42:12,649
Antarctica and I have something

2952
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:16,189
extremely special that I am breaking

2953
02:42:23,951 --> 02:42:19,520
open in for the first time in conscious

2954
02:42:27,491 --> 02:42:23,961
life Expo I'm doing what is going on

2955
02:42:31,111 --> 02:42:27,501
in the Antarctic and that is a workshop

2956
02:42:35,350 --> 02:42:31,121
that I do on Saturday February 23rd and

2957
02:42:38,020 --> 02:42:35,360
it is extraordinary because I know what

2958
02:42:42,341 --> 02:42:38,030
it is I'm going to be sharing and I'm

2959
02:42:44,531 --> 02:42:42,351
also very interested in something that I

2960
02:42:47,890 --> 02:42:44,541
brought up in my earthfiles youtube

2961
02:42:51,371 --> 02:42:47,900
channel a couple of months ago and that

2962
02:42:55,001 --> 02:42:51,381
was the whole question of how many

2963
02:42:57,581 --> 02:42:55,011
people can remember even if they've

2964
02:43:00,401 --> 02:42:57,591
never told a human being not their

2965
02:43:03,761 --> 02:43:00,411
parents not siblings not a wife a

2966
02:43:08,741 --> 02:43:03,771
husband no one how many remember being

2967
02:43:11,770 --> 02:43:08,751
between age 4 to around 6 or 7 floating

2968
02:43:13,810 --> 02:43:11,780
up out of their body at night

2969
02:43:17,230 --> 02:43:13,820
when they go to sleep or if they wake up

2970
02:43:22,421 --> 02:43:17,240
or it's going to sleep or some variation

2971
02:43:24,100 --> 02:43:22,431
and I have had I have a folder filled

2972
02:43:27,461 --> 02:43:24,110
with some of the most extraordinary

2973
02:43:30,011 --> 02:43:27,471
letters that I have ever read from my

2974
02:43:33,461 --> 02:43:30,021
fellow human beings and so I'm also

2975
02:43:36,491 --> 02:43:33,471
going to be doing a post conference a

2976
02:43:40,390 --> 02:43:36,501
special workshop on mysterious childhood

2977
02:43:43,841 --> 02:43:40,400
out of travel experience and then I'm on

2978
02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:43,851
the ancient aliens panel Chariots of the

2979
02:43:50,861 --> 02:43:47,690
Gods I'm on the are extraterrestrial

2980
02:43:53,310 --> 02:43:50,871
stepping up our evolution and I think

2981
02:43:57,100 --> 02:43:53,320
that is the greatest subject because

2982
02:44:01,631 --> 02:43:57,110
hybrids are one of the big subjects on

2983
02:44:03,970 --> 02:44:01,641
this planet now how if you look back in

2984
02:44:06,821 --> 02:44:03,980
the history of evolving primates on

2985
02:44:09,850 --> 02:44:06,831
earth and how many there have been and

2986
02:44:12,761 --> 02:44:09,860
each one was replaced neanderthalensis

2987
02:44:16,921 --> 02:44:12,771
was replaced by crowmon and Homo sapiens

2988
02:44:22,060 --> 02:44:16,931
sapiens well are we also in a wave of

2989
02:44:26,401 --> 02:44:22,070
replacement but can can it be that it

2990
02:44:31,230 --> 02:44:26,411
could be better that the replacement

2991
02:44:34,901 --> 02:44:31,240
isn't like an annihilation it's an

2992
02:44:37,059 --> 02:44:34,911
evolution in which the species hopefully

2993
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:37,069
becomes less

2994
02:44:44,979 --> 02:44:41,930
label-less warring less violent stronger

2995
02:44:47,949 --> 02:44:44,989
and biologically to go into space

2996
02:44:51,609 --> 02:44:47,959
because the current human body is not

2997
02:44:55,389 --> 02:44:51,619
made to go out into space but maybe

2998
02:44:57,460 --> 02:44:55,399
we're on an evolutionary track in which

2999
02:45:00,340 --> 02:44:57,470
something is going to emerge that will

3000
02:45:04,510 --> 02:45:00,350
be extremely bright and extremely strong

3001
02:45:07,359 --> 02:45:04,520
and my prayer will be that humans will

3002
02:45:11,170 --> 02:45:07,369
always have strong soul you know we just

3003
02:45:15,429 --> 02:45:11,180
talked about J Allen Hynek and and his

3004
02:45:18,579 --> 02:45:15,439
important place in history and here we

3005
02:45:20,679 --> 02:45:18,589
are I can't even believe that we're

3006
02:45:22,960 --> 02:45:20,689
doing this but it's the 50th anniversary

3007
02:45:25,149 --> 02:45:22,970
of Chariots of the Gods and you just

3008
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:25,159
mentioned I'll be hosting the panel

3009
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:27,770
Friday night and you'll be on that panel

3010
02:45:34,179 --> 02:45:31,369
of course we're going to be doing

3011
02:45:39,250 --> 02:45:34,189
Chariots of the Gods and with Erich von

3012
02:45:41,079 --> 02:45:39,260
däniken but how important you know with

3013
02:45:43,329 --> 02:45:41,089
with this community and with the

3014
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:43,339
exposure of everything is Erich von

3015
02:45:48,279 --> 02:45:45,770
Daniken and and that book in the

3016
02:45:49,809 --> 02:45:48,289
original film Chariots of the Gods you

3017
02:45:52,300 --> 02:45:49,819
know to you personally and to the

3018
02:45:58,779 --> 02:45:52,310
community it's an extraordinary event 50

3019
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,789
years Wow and cheers rah for Erich for

3020
02:46:04,510 --> 02:46:01,279
Erich von däniken because he had the

3021
02:46:07,929 --> 02:46:04,520
guts and he had the intelligence 50

3022
02:46:11,849 --> 02:46:07,939
years ago to lay out in a book what was

3023
02:46:14,710 --> 02:46:11,859
the truth and he got lambasted fright by

3024
02:46:17,290 --> 02:46:14,720
scientists he got lambasted by academics

3025
02:46:21,849 --> 02:46:17,300
he got Lembeck lambasted all over the

3026
02:46:25,479 --> 02:46:21,859
place but the public just embraced that

3027
02:46:28,769 --> 02:46:25,489
book right and it has written a wave for

3028
02:46:32,079 --> 02:46:28,779
50 years and Chariots of the Gods

3029
02:46:34,540 --> 02:46:32,089
resonates with human beings at some

3030
02:46:37,719 --> 02:46:34,550
strange core level and I think that's

3031
02:46:40,449 --> 02:46:37,729
that's it I mean truth is truth is truth

3032
02:46:44,529 --> 02:46:40,459
when it's recognized and that's what

3033
02:46:46,690 --> 02:46:44,539
Eric did yeah the book today in in with

3034
02:46:50,679 --> 02:46:46,700
anybody I would hand it

3035
02:46:52,450 --> 02:46:50,689
- to anyone and in the book is as

3036
02:47:03,250 --> 02:46:52,460
readable today as when it was published

3037
02:47:05,860 --> 02:47:03,260
back in 1968 1969 what an achievement

3038
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:05,870
and he is so so much fun to sit down and

3039
02:47:12,010 --> 02:47:09,770
talk to and so approachable and and here

3040
02:47:15,820 --> 02:47:12,020
we are I can't even believe it 2019 I

3041
02:47:17,890 --> 02:47:15,830
remember giving you your award a couple

3042
02:47:22,390 --> 02:47:17,900
of years ago at the same panel by the

3043
02:47:24,850 --> 02:47:22,400
way and here we are you and I will be

3044
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:24,860
doing this this year with Erich von

3045
02:47:28,719 --> 02:47:27,110
däniken I'm just so excited about that

3046
02:47:34,260 --> 02:47:28,729
it's going to be a great weekend

3047
02:47:38,890 --> 02:47:34,270
yes and everybody listening this isn't a

3048
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:38,900
community this is our world of the human

3049
02:47:47,140 --> 02:47:43,570
family and every human on this planet

3050
02:47:50,410 --> 02:47:47,150
deserves to know the truth about our

3051
02:47:54,190 --> 02:47:50,420
real origins a real relationship with

3052
02:47:57,810 --> 02:47:54,200
other intelligences because until that

3053
02:48:02,260 --> 02:47:57,820
happens humans being kept dumb and blind

3054
02:48:05,290 --> 02:48:02,270
weakens all humans and that is that's

3055
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:05,300
what we've got to break not a community

3056
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:09,110
that is small we've got to make this the

3057
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:13,610
entire world deserves the truth how do

3058
02:48:17,920 --> 02:48:15,410
you think it's gonna happen if you had

3059
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:17,930
your Linda Moulton Howe crystal ball out

3060
02:48:23,710 --> 02:48:20,000
right and you're looking into this

3061
02:48:26,850 --> 02:48:23,720
crystal ball what's going to force

3062
02:48:29,740 --> 02:48:26,860
disclosure in 2019 is it going to be a

3063
02:48:32,050 --> 02:48:29,750
document dump from anonymous right on

3064
02:48:35,770 --> 02:48:32,060
WikiLeaks is it going to be an event in

3065
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:35,780
the sky is it what do you think is going

3066
02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:39,370
to force the hand of disclosure in 2019

3067
02:48:44,469 --> 02:48:42,080
it could come through China because

3068
02:48:47,890 --> 02:48:44,479
they've got the Cheney on the backside

3069
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:47,900
and depending upon what the grey beings

3070
02:48:54,580 --> 02:48:50,960
or any other beings decide that they

3071
02:48:57,820 --> 02:48:54,590
want to do with humans going to an area

3072
02:49:00,640 --> 02:48:57,830
where they have clearly warned the world

3073
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:00,650
away in the past would they

3074
02:49:07,331 --> 02:49:03,610
born again or will they embrace this or

3075
02:49:10,301 --> 02:49:07,341
will there be something that occurs in

3076
02:49:13,660 --> 02:49:10,311
China we'll make the announcement that

3077
02:49:17,501 --> 02:49:13,670
would be very interesting a kind of a

3078
02:49:20,261 --> 02:49:17,511
surprise because for so long it has been

3079
02:49:22,990 --> 02:49:20,271
just anticipated and expected that the

3080
02:49:25,121 --> 02:49:23,000
United States of America would be the

3081
02:49:27,610 --> 02:49:25,131
nation that would make this announcement

3082
02:49:31,301 --> 02:49:27,620
if there was going to be one it would be

3083
02:49:38,371 --> 02:49:31,311
the United States and remember that

3084
02:49:41,890 --> 02:49:38,381
there was that Nixon now Scott Jones was

3085
02:49:47,140 --> 02:49:41,900
asked asked by Senator Pell to go to

3086
02:49:49,360 --> 02:49:47,150
China in the early 1970s specifically to

3087
02:49:53,890 --> 02:49:49,370
try to find out with official State

3088
02:49:57,640 --> 02:49:53,900
Department documents what did China in

3089
02:50:01,360 --> 02:49:57,650
the MAL atmosphere what did they have in

3090
02:50:03,251 --> 02:50:01,370
terms of craft technology bodies all of

3091
02:50:06,011 --> 02:50:03,261
that in Scott Jones said they have

3092
02:50:09,011 --> 02:50:06,021
everything and that when he was getting

3093
02:50:11,381 --> 02:50:09,021
ready to leave and had been shown so

3094
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:11,391
many things that were the hard evidence

3095
02:50:18,461 --> 02:50:13,730
that the rest of the world would love to

3096
02:50:22,511 --> 02:50:18,471
see but he after his translator you have

3097
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:22,521
everything that all humans want to see

3098
02:50:29,530 --> 02:50:26,240
the hard evidence why are you not

3099
02:50:32,501 --> 02:50:29,540
announcing this to the world and Scott

3100
02:50:35,890 --> 02:50:32,511
Jones said that the political people

3101
02:50:38,650 --> 02:50:35,900
assigned to him the one that was head or

3102
02:50:41,140 --> 02:50:38,660
the spokesman but his hands together in

3103
02:50:43,240 --> 02:50:41,150
front of him and bowed to Scott Jones

3104
02:50:47,020 --> 02:50:43,250
and when he stood back up he said

3105
02:50:51,610 --> 02:50:47,030
because we are waiting for the United

3106
02:50:54,520 --> 02:50:51,620
States to act now I asked God when I did

3107
02:50:57,640 --> 02:50:54,530
an interview with him about this about

3108
02:51:01,570 --> 02:50:57,650
ten years ago is also a tour files.com

3109
02:51:04,150 --> 02:51:01,580
you just do a search at our files for

3110
02:51:06,461 --> 02:51:04,160
Scott Jones and you'll see this amazing

3111
02:51:12,730 --> 02:51:06,471
interview we did about his China trip in

3112
02:51:19,780 --> 02:51:12,740
the 70s and the issue

3113
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:19,790
of why would China defer to the United

3114
02:51:26,680 --> 02:51:23,840
States and Scott and I ended up talking

3115
02:51:30,760 --> 02:51:26,690
about could it possibly be that when

3116
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:30,770
Richard Nixon went to China and had that

3117
02:51:35,950 --> 02:51:32,810
meeting with mouth that what they were

3118
02:51:39,250 --> 02:51:35,960
actually communicating about was the

3119
02:51:39,700 --> 02:51:39,260
extra-terrestrial alien presence and

3120
02:51:45,430 --> 02:51:39,710
that

3121
02:51:48,040 --> 02:51:45,440
decision privately with China

3122
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:48,050
maybe Nixon asked because Nixon was

3123
02:51:51,070 --> 02:51:49,850
learning about UFOs and ETS from

3124
02:51:53,110 --> 02:51:51,080
Eisenhower that's right

3125
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:53,120
we've got all kinds of documentation on

3126
02:51:59,500 --> 02:51:55,520
that and that it may have been that

3127
02:52:03,900 --> 02:51:59,510
Nixon was saying we in the United States

3128
02:52:06,969 --> 02:52:03,910
would appreciate being allowed to

3129
02:52:10,330 --> 02:52:06,979
continue the work that we are doing with

3130
02:52:13,330 --> 02:52:10,340
these beings and that we would like to

3131
02:52:16,870 --> 02:52:13,340
have an agreement that you will wait

3132
02:52:19,150 --> 02:52:16,880
until we are ready to make an

3133
02:52:22,180 --> 02:52:19,160
announcement and I can imagine some kind

3134
02:52:26,380 --> 02:52:22,190
of a discussion like that going on

3135
02:52:26,860 --> 02:52:26,390
between Nixon and Mel and then here we

3136
02:52:29,410 --> 02:52:26,870
are

3137
02:52:35,770 --> 02:52:29,420
2019 and we still haven't had the

3138
02:52:38,560 --> 02:52:35,780
revelation well maybe she and China will

3139
02:52:41,050 --> 02:52:38,570
decide that having the the back side and

3140
02:52:43,719 --> 02:52:41,060
whatever who knows what they're going to

3141
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:43,729
end up with proof that they would make

3142
02:52:48,700 --> 02:52:46,880
the announcement and maybe they've been

3143
02:52:51,610 --> 02:52:48,710
waiting all this time because of the

3144
02:52:53,980 --> 02:52:51,620
original Nixon request and now maybe

3145
02:52:57,100 --> 02:52:53,990
they've decided it doesn't count anymore

3146
02:53:00,100 --> 02:52:57,110
it doesn't matter and so I can imagine

3147
02:53:02,410 --> 02:53:00,110
that China could end up making that

3148
02:53:03,580 --> 02:53:02,420
announcement Russia could end up making

3149
02:53:06,850 --> 02:53:03,590
that announcement

3150
02:53:12,580 --> 02:53:06,860
everybody's got crafts and bodies and

3151
02:53:19,210 --> 02:53:12,590
that what would happen if the United

3152
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:19,220
States loses its edge in all matters

3153
02:53:24,070 --> 02:53:22,130
related to space yeah but we don't hold

3154
02:53:26,050 --> 02:53:24,080
all the cards that we used to you know

3155
02:53:26,411 --> 02:53:26,060
it's really simple it's not that kind of

3156
02:53:32,381 --> 02:53:26,421
party

3157
02:53:34,930 --> 02:53:32,391
anymore well what is there secretly see

3158
02:53:38,470 --> 02:53:34,940
the big secret space program I believe

3159
02:53:42,341 --> 02:53:38,480
is a huge huge trick

3160
02:53:44,501 --> 02:53:42,351
yeah I mean what no yeah Lindo I guess

3161
02:53:48,161 --> 02:53:44,511
what I'm saying is what is it that we

3162
02:53:51,191 --> 02:53:48,171
would hold over Russia or China right

3163
02:53:56,081 --> 02:53:51,201
now as as power cards as trump cards I

3164
02:53:58,180 --> 02:53:56,091
just I didn't mean it like that but you

3165
02:54:01,601 --> 02:53:58,190
know what I mean what there isn't a

3166
02:54:04,991 --> 02:54:01,611
reason for them to have to answer to us

3167
02:54:06,581 --> 02:54:05,001
now they are obviously China's landing

3168
02:54:08,021 --> 02:54:06,591
on the Dark Side of the Moon now right

3169
02:54:12,491 --> 02:54:08,031
they're doing whatever they want to do

3170
02:54:14,081 --> 02:54:12,501
so you my India is going to be up on the

3171
02:54:17,081 --> 02:54:14,091
moon and there's going to be a lot

3172
02:54:19,631 --> 02:54:17,091
because one of the things about the

3173
02:54:22,361 --> 02:54:19,641
South Pole area the Shackleton crater of

3174
02:54:26,081 --> 02:54:22,371
that region it is the place on the moon

3175
02:54:28,451 --> 02:54:26,091
where I believe it's something like 96%

3176
02:54:30,821 --> 02:54:28,461
of the year of a time

3177
02:54:34,001 --> 02:54:30,831
there's always sunlight there and that

3178
02:54:36,911 --> 02:54:34,011
means that you could set up solar energy

3179
02:54:41,101 --> 02:54:36,921
at the South Pole of the Moon which is

3180
02:54:47,081 --> 02:54:41,111
where Cheney went to the South Pole

3181
02:54:51,521 --> 02:54:47,091
India Japan China Russia the United

3182
02:54:53,531 --> 02:54:51,531
States the countries that are wanting to

3183
02:54:55,930 --> 02:54:53,541
have territory on the moon and have

3184
02:54:58,421 --> 02:54:55,940
permanent basis we're not the only one

3185
02:55:01,651 --> 02:54:58,431
who wants to have a permanent base so

3186
02:55:05,201 --> 02:55:01,661
suddenly all of the geopolitical

3187
02:55:07,930 --> 02:55:05,211
sensitivities conflicts and some

3188
02:55:10,331 --> 02:55:07,940
collaborations that are on the earth

3189
02:55:13,441 --> 02:55:10,341
surface are going to be in the South

3190
02:55:18,071 --> 02:55:13,451
Pole of the moon people to think about

3191
02:55:21,191 --> 02:55:18,081
Lyn Buchanan on phenomenon radio three

3192
02:55:24,661 --> 02:55:21,201
years ago I believe it was told John

3193
02:55:29,651 --> 02:55:24,671
Burroughs and me that in his work for

3194
02:55:31,421 --> 02:55:29,661
the Defense Intelligence Agency having

3195
02:55:35,261 --> 02:55:31,431
to do with the controls remote viewers

3196
02:55:39,929 --> 02:55:35,271
who were there in the remote viewing

3197
02:55:43,269 --> 02:55:39,939
project that everybody was tasked

3198
02:55:45,969 --> 02:55:43,279
with is there other life other

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02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:45,979
consciousness in the universe and in

3200
02:55:51,870 --> 02:55:49,040
their project Stargate it they all came

3201
02:55:56,830 --> 02:55:51,880
up with its the universe is teeming with

3202
02:56:00,219 --> 02:55:56,840
consciousness and life and then when

3203
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:00,229
really surprised this he said one of our

3204
02:56:05,740 --> 02:56:03,770
bosses that would have been dia back at

3205
02:56:08,710 --> 02:56:05,750
the end of the 80s

3206
02:56:12,219 --> 02:56:08,720
that's when Project Star Gate was next

3207
02:56:18,840 --> 02:56:12,229
door to Fort need very shiny NSA

3208
02:56:23,320 --> 02:56:18,850
building that they one of his bosses

3209
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:23,330
just in the last decade or so got back

3210
02:56:29,050 --> 02:56:25,850
in touch with Lynn Buchanan who lives

3211
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:29,060
down in Alamogordo south of me and that

3212
02:56:36,250 --> 02:56:33,050
Lynn told us on the air and I talked

3213
02:56:41,370 --> 02:56:36,260
about it with him about this also that

3214
02:56:44,620 --> 02:56:41,380
his old boss is now the manager of

3215
02:56:48,219 --> 02:56:44,630
interstellar trade routes in an office

3216
02:56:50,530 --> 02:56:48,229
in the Pentagon and he said to John and

3217
02:56:55,179 --> 02:56:50,540
me he says I'm not kidding I think he

3218
02:56:58,479 --> 02:56:55,189
said it's my understanding that the grey

3219
02:57:01,330 --> 02:56:58,489
beings the ones known as the eben they

3220
02:57:05,559 --> 02:57:01,340
would sometimes perhaps deliberately

3221
02:57:08,500 --> 02:57:05,569
create a crash to put technology in our

3222
02:57:11,380 --> 02:57:08,510
hands and that they would then come back

3223
02:57:13,149 --> 02:57:11,390
and monitor what we did with technology

3224
02:57:16,830 --> 02:57:13,159
like they would seed like they're

3225
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:16,840
receiving they were like bread crumbs

3226
02:57:22,030 --> 02:57:19,850
for us to follow and then we would

3227
02:57:24,370 --> 02:57:22,040
follow and we would make things out of

3228
02:57:27,309 --> 02:57:24,380
what they had left and they really liked

3229
02:57:29,860 --> 02:57:27,319
what we made and that eventually in

3230
02:57:31,059 --> 02:57:29,870
communication what they wanted are some

3231
02:57:33,280 --> 02:57:31,069
of the things that we were back

3232
02:57:36,809 --> 02:57:33,290
engineering and that that was part of

3233
02:57:41,649 --> 02:57:36,819
this interstellar trade route and

3234
02:57:44,769 --> 02:57:41,659
whatever all the details are and if they

3235
02:57:49,000 --> 02:57:44,779
will all be ever confirmed here is to me

3236
02:57:52,639 --> 02:57:49,010
the big bottom line there is something

3237
02:57:55,219 --> 02:57:52,649
exciting about the idea

3238
02:57:58,969 --> 02:57:55,229
that we've already gone into

3239
02:58:01,489 --> 02:57:58,979
interstellar trade if if Lynn and and

3240
02:58:03,559 --> 02:58:01,499
what he's saying from this managers this

3241
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:03,569
is not remote viewing this is what they

3242
02:58:14,289 --> 02:58:08,489
talked about and it also ties in to gary

3243
02:58:17,179 --> 02:58:14,299
mckinnon remember back in 2002 when he

3244
02:58:23,179 --> 02:58:17,189
but he doesn't like the word hacked he

3245
02:58:27,769 --> 02:58:23,189
stumbled into one of our Intel computers

3246
02:58:29,449 --> 02:58:27,779
by his poor modem in England and what

3247
02:58:33,229 --> 02:58:29,459
was he looking at he was looking at a

3248
02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:33,239
spreadsheet on I think it was an air

3249
02:58:37,999 --> 02:58:36,329
force base or something I've been so

3250
02:58:41,239 --> 02:58:38,009
long I don't remember exactly where it

3251
02:58:46,929 --> 02:58:41,249
was but it was it had a title on it but

3252
02:58:51,769 --> 02:58:46,939
he net he wrote down non-terrestrial was

3253
02:58:55,909 --> 02:58:51,779
navigators and that it appeared to have

3254
02:58:58,209 --> 02:58:55,919
something to do with outer space and so

3255
02:59:05,389 --> 02:58:58,219
if and that goes back to I think it was

3256
02:59:08,109 --> 02:59:05,399
2002 I know it was public by 2002 so yes

3257
02:59:11,869 --> 02:59:08,119
this is another one of the big secrets

3258
02:59:15,439 --> 02:59:11,879
maybe we've got treaties where some of

3259
02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:15,449
the allies come and they get gold or

3260
02:59:21,050 --> 02:59:17,850
they get molybdenum or they get you know

3261
02:59:23,979 --> 02:59:21,060
who knows but that we actually are on a

3262
02:59:27,109 --> 02:59:23,989
planet that has been left in the dark

3263
02:59:30,939 --> 02:59:27,119
purposefully left out of an equation in

3264
02:59:34,719 --> 02:59:30,949
which a minority of the planet is

3265
02:59:39,379 --> 02:59:34,729
actually working in interstellar trade

3266
02:59:42,439 --> 02:59:39,389
my god it's a schizophrenic that it it

3267
02:59:45,169 --> 02:59:42,449
numbs the mind to contemplate that we're

3268
02:59:48,889 --> 02:59:45,179
all on the same planet with those kinds

3269
02:59:52,189 --> 02:59:48,899
of different realities and I hope I just

3270
02:59:54,739 --> 02:59:52,199
think it has to come into one story and

3271
02:59:57,979 --> 02:59:54,749
we have to stop living on a concocted

3272
02:59:59,840 --> 02:59:57,989
planet of Lies and the whole

3273
03:00:02,189 --> 02:59:59,850
interstellar travel and you know what

3274
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:02,199
race we just went over

3275
03:00:09,719 --> 03:00:07,600
the network feed but so race is just

3276
03:00:11,909 --> 03:00:09,729
like freaking out right now but that's

3277
03:00:14,340 --> 03:00:11,919
we're supposed to be through yeah that's

3278
03:00:18,779 --> 03:00:14,350
that's just tough this is the thing it

3279
03:00:21,630 --> 03:00:18,789
goes back to what Betty Hill had said

3280
03:00:24,329 --> 03:00:21,640
with her original star map and how they

3281
03:00:25,829 --> 03:00:24,339
presented her with trade routes and that

3282
03:00:31,319 --> 03:00:25,839
they've been doing this forever

3283
03:00:34,349 --> 03:00:31,329
yeah and man I find that exciting not

3284
03:00:36,510 --> 03:00:34,359
scary and if there are hostiles out

3285
03:00:39,929 --> 03:00:36,520
there I want to know who the hostiles

3286
03:00:42,209 --> 03:00:39,939
are and why but I want the world to have

3287
03:00:45,149 --> 03:00:42,219
the emphasis on we have allies and there

3288
03:00:47,099 --> 03:00:45,159
are neutrals and that we're still here

3289
03:00:49,829 --> 03:00:47,109
and somebody's been helping us for a

3290
03:00:52,109 --> 03:00:49,839
long time and we need to grow up and

3291
03:00:54,959 --> 03:00:52,119
understand what this universe is really

3292
03:00:59,550 --> 03:00:54,969
about you know what and I want a t-shirt

3293
03:01:02,159 --> 03:00:59,560
from Zeta Reticuli I'll trade I'll try

3294
03:01:03,809 --> 03:01:02,169
to fade to black shirt for Zeta Reticuli

3295
03:01:06,059 --> 03:01:03,819
t-shirt you'll trade an earth files

3296
03:01:09,179 --> 03:01:06,069
t-shirt for one wouldn't you well and

3297
03:01:13,199 --> 03:01:09,189
I'll bring you one of my t-shirts I now

3298
03:01:16,050 --> 03:01:13,209
have that is my mantra down with entropy

3299
03:01:20,609 --> 03:01:16,060
that's where energy and everything goes

3300
03:01:24,659 --> 03:01:20,619
to hatred and conflict and war and zero

3301
03:01:27,420 --> 03:01:24,669
and up with light Jimmy that's where we

3302
03:01:30,269 --> 03:01:27,430
all need to be going and that is where

3303
03:01:34,260 --> 03:01:30,279
outer space could finally pull us away

3304
03:01:37,709 --> 03:01:34,270
from all of the tribal wars on earth we

3305
03:01:41,159 --> 03:01:37,719
if we know that we're not alone and that

3306
03:01:44,130 --> 03:01:41,169
there are is a huge huge bell-shape of

3307
03:01:49,050 --> 03:01:44,140
so many different types of intelligences

3308
03:01:53,039 --> 03:01:49,060
oh to join that to search to evolve to

3309
03:01:55,800 --> 03:01:53,049
travel to make earth back to be a garden

3310
03:02:01,019 --> 03:01:55,810
again thank you so much Linda and I'm

3311
03:02:03,569 --> 03:02:01,029
size extra large and I will I'll bring

3312
03:02:05,429 --> 03:02:03,579
one of course you know where to come and

3313
03:02:07,139 --> 03:02:05,439
find me a conscious life and we'll do

3314
03:02:09,599 --> 03:02:07,149
the trade we'll do it live on stage

3315
03:02:11,849 --> 03:02:09,609
thank you so much Linda keep rolling

3316
03:02:13,769 --> 03:02:11,859
that rock uphill and we'll see you next

3317
03:02:14,850 --> 03:02:13,779
month at the conscious life Expo thank

3318
03:02:18,630 --> 03:02:14,860
you so much

3319
03:02:20,910 --> 03:02:18,640
god bless Linda Moulton Howe earthfiles

3320
03:02:22,950 --> 03:02:20,920
earthfiles calm the links of course are

3321
03:02:25,830 --> 03:02:22,960
over at Jimmy Church radio you can click

3322
03:02:27,990 --> 03:02:25,840
right there and thank you race for

3323
03:02:30,780 --> 03:02:28,000
letting us do this little overtime

3324
03:02:33,540 --> 03:02:30,790
tonight but it is Linda and that's what

3325
03:02:37,261 --> 03:02:33,550
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3326
03:02:39,120 --> 03:02:37,271
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3327
03:02:40,920 --> 03:02:39,130
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3329
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3330
03:02:46,980 --> 03:02:44,470
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3331
03:02:50,040 --> 03:02:46,990
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3332
03:02:52,980 --> 03:02:50,050
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03:02:57,090 --> 03:02:52,990
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03:03:03,660 --> 03:03:01,261
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3335
03:03:05,460 --> 03:03:03,670
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3336
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3337
03:03:09,720 --> 03:03:07,811
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3338
03:03:11,820 --> 03:03:09,730
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3339
03:03:13,740 --> 03:03:11,830
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3340
03:03:17,850 --> 03:03:13,750
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3341
03:03:22,801 --> 03:03:17,860
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3342
03:03:25,710 --> 03:03:22,811
fluffy and chocolate Linda Moulton the

3343
03:03:29,160 --> 03:03:25,720
house cats I'll see everybody tomorrow

3344
03:03:32,511 --> 03:03:29,170
night our guest is dr. Robert M shop

3345
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:32,521
until then everybody be saved